Bring Back Shake N' Bake! (Rant)

[cockerpunk]

Interesting idea, But what if a "advanced" player cant make it on a Sunday and shows up on a Saterday?

its a self selected group.

around here folks who are serious about competitive play, want to play against other competitive people, not renters.

[OPBN]

Interesting idea, But what if a "advanced" player cant make it on a Sunday and shows up on a Saterday?

Exactly. I rarely play on Sundays due to personal obligations. That field would lose me for sure.

[skipdogg]

I find playing in anything other than a tournament (although Ive made exceptions for that too) with a pump solves 100% of any potential problems.
If you play paintball against rental noobs with your ramping electro, well....then YOUR the problem :)

[cockerpunk]

Exactly. I rarely play on Sundays due to personal obligations. That field would lose me for sure.

advanced open play would not be a place for someone who wants to play shake n bake or rock n cock such as the topic of this thread.

its targeted and geared for tournament practicing teams, scrimmaging, and that level of firepower, and play. not saying you couldn't roll a mag or a pump, but for the folks pushing for less firepower, it would not be the place for it.

[zulubravo44]

advanced open play would not be a place for someone who wants to play shake n bake or rock n cock such as the topic of this thread.

its targeted and geared for tournament practicing teams, scrimmaging, and that level of firepower, and play. not saying you couldn't roll a mag or a pump, but for the folks pushing for less firepower, it would not be the place for it.

which is why competition teams need to have their own close-field practices, rather than "practicing" on rentals. it's predation, not practice.

one of the fields near me has an ongoing 3v3 league through the summer. the "advanced open" people sign up for the league, and the renters/rec players go out on the rec fields. if you have "advanced" firepower, they ask you to jump in to the league that day on a filler team (they've structured the league so these games only count as practice, but so that you can drop in if you want to play this kind of paintball). this also makes it so the renters don't get to play on the speedball field, but most of them are more attracted to the castle and trenches anyway.

this is a great way to encourage self selection without punishing people, or forcing them into a game style/type that they don't want to play in. i showed up once last year with only my pump intending to play rec, and they didn't have enough renters/rec people to play on those fields. so i jumped into the speedball and had a decent time, even if i was shooting ≤2 bps with a 50 round hopper. there were three guys who showed up to rent and jumped into the tourney with all rental gear, and even though it was their first time they had a good time. the field let them play one or two games with promise of a full refund if they decided it wasn't fun, but they were decided to stay all day.

[cockerpunk]

which is why competition teams need to have their own close-field practices, rather than "practicing" on rentals. it's predation, not practice.

that is the point of advanced open play. to practice with similar preferences and goals in terms of playing.

[WholemealDrop]

Cockerpunk are you talking about Air Assault and Splatball in the Twin Cities? Stout has been planning on practicing there these next few weeks to prepare for Nationals.

[cockerpunk]

Cockerpunk are you talking about Air Assault and Splatball in the Twin Cities? Stout has been planning on practicing there these next few weeks to prepare for Nationals.

yup, exactly that.

[ghost flanker]

...at least restrict players with force-feed loaders to their own games away from everyone else. If these guys want to shoot their electros with us, they gotta dust off their old hoppers. Best way to solve the perceived problem of unreasonable rates of fire, I think.

I sort of touched on the idea of advanced open play in my original post, only with a slightly different twist. My idea on how to effectively and efficiently separate high ROF shooters from renters and low ROF shooters doesn't seem to be too popular here though, but I think most of us do agree that a problem does exist and that they should be separated.

[Nobody]

Then on a day you do go, ask all those people who are having horrible times and go approach the field owner or how ever is top in running it. Demand a change, tell them what is wrong and how they can change it to get you coming back. Money talks, BS walks. Though you are expressing your opinion here, it isn't getting to the people that matter. I am in NJ. I can't do dick about it. My field, i am in tight with the owner, and when there are slight problems, i tell him and he will fix it. Squeaky wheel gets the grease.

[MAGgot]

The game needs slowed down, I agree. Limiting to shake and bake is a good way to do it - it's a clear rule without room for interpretation errors. Electro players can still play, just hand them a rental hopper.
There are other (easier?) ways to accomplish the same goal: sell your airball bunkers and make it clear to electro players that they need to cool it when renters are on the field - ask anyone that doesn't comply to leave.

[athomas]

Shake and bake hoppers only slow down the wanna be tournament players. A real tournament grade player will still own the field in that type of play, maybe even more so. There won't be the perceived effect of overshooting though, when someone runs the field.

[bowcycle]

My field in central AR does a 3-shot/sec "guideline" for walk-on play. if you want to go spray paint, then you can go hang out with the others of similar interest as they rotate through the different fields, but walk-ons get a taste of woodsball, hyperball, and speedball all without having to worry about getting overshot.

The field owner keeps it simple: if the refs see you staying on the trigger, they come ask you to stop. If you don't stop, they ask you to leave.

Makes it a good place to play for multiple skill levels and no one "hogs" any one field. I tend to do pretty well, but no one ever complains about me overshooting. It's nice to win and still have the other people be happy with you.

[ghost flanker]

Shake and bake hoppers only slow down the wanna be tournament players. A real tournament grade player will still own the field in that type of play, maybe even more so. There won't be the perceived effect of overshooting though, when someone runs the field.

I agree. That's precisely why I feel that skill level is not the issue. Expert players usually are not part of the problem. They're often the ones playing pump and they'll win games without frightening children or sucking out all the fun for everyone else. On the other hand, high ROF electro walk-ons are typically more intermediately skilled and show up in far greater numbers.

[JonM]

I agree. That's precisely why I feel that skill level is not the issue. Expert players usually are not part of the problem. They're often the ones playing pump and they'll win games without frightening children or sucking out all the fun for everyone else. On the other hand, high ROF electro walk-ons are typically more intermediately skilled and show up in far greater numbers.

I couldn't agree more. I have guns older than many of these kids and I make it a point to slow down and let the new guys have fun too. If I find myself up against a group of 10-year old walk-ons, I'll bust out the Splatmaster and just have fun. It's the little kids playing with space guns who can shoot a case per game that need to cool it.