Indian Creek Design

[luke]

Did Youngblood move all manufacturing to China? I know he previously had the rough machining done there, then did the final machining in his shop. I know he had a hell of a shop a few years ago.

[knownothingmags]

Did Youngblood move all manufacturing to China? I know he previously had the rough machining done there, then did the final machining in his shop. I know he had a hell of a shop a few years ago.

that is probably the way it is done still.
I haven't been to the facility since 2012

[renie]

Most of the big firms use China as it can't be beaten on production costs
Then assembled in the country of so called production that way you get your made in the ......

[knownothingmags]

Most of the big firms use China as it can't be beaten on production costs
Then assembled in the country of so called production that way you get your made in the ......

yeah for sure.
like our parts the way we can call it made in the USA,
is because the majority of the $$$$ value of the parts were made in the USA.

[Spider-TW]

Then assembled in the country of so called production that way you get your made in the ......

And hopefully some quality control. The Chinese have the ability to produce good quality, but they don't seem to back check much in these cheap production facilities. Someone introduces some bad material or something gets off spec and they just continue on.

[luke]

And hopefully some quality control. The Chinese have the ability to produce good quality, but they don't seem to back check much in these cheap production facilities. Someone introduces some bad material or something gets off spec and they just continue on.

I've seen interviews with Chinese manufacturers and their claim is that the inferior products is more about American greed rather than the inability for them to manufacture quality parts. It's the demand of corporate America for bigger profits that has lead consumers into this never ending free fall of cheaply made imports. So many products off the shelf do not work or at least have a short life span. It's a pretty sad day when you choose something made in Taiwan over the China made counter part because the Taiwan stuff is so much better. We are getting to the point that made in the USA is not even an option on the shelf.

[Spider-TW]

I've seen interviews with Chinese manufacturers and their claim is that the inferior products is more about American greed rather than the inability for them to manufacture quality parts. It's the demand of corporate America for bigger profits that has lead consumers into this never ending free fall of cheaply made imports. So many products off the shelf do not work or at least have a short life span. It's a pretty sad day when you choose something made in Taiwan over the China made counter part because the Taiwan stuff is so much better. We are getting to the point that made in the USA is not even an option on the shelf.

I haven't seen my favorite label in a while, "Hecho en China".

Made in China and imported through Mexico.

A lot of the imports have a place though. When you only use a shovel one day every 10 years, you're selling a shovel to someone that wouldn't buy one if it cost any more. So we employ a bunch of shipping and sales people to get something done, instead of the one yard guy for a day. There's some trades there that aren't so bad. Americans buy all sorts of stuff they don't really need or have an actual use for. That stuff might as well be made in China.

I have seen some guys that make a (small) living with their own personal shovel. That's impressive for the shovel and the man. Very shiny shovel too.

[luke]

Literally, the last shovel I purchased lasted less than 5 minutes. But I still have an old shovel I found in a field 10 years ago that was clearly 30 years old when I found it.

[Spider-TW]

Literally, the last shovel I purchased lasted less than 5 minutes. But I still have an old shovel I found in a field 10 years ago that was clearly 30 years old when I found it.

Lol! It's funny how much quality differs even in shovels.

In the same vein as buying stuff I don't need, I'm often tempted to buy stuff just because of the quality.

[BLachance75]

I wish I only needed to use a shovel once ever 10 years. With my yard I'm using a shovel almost weekly, and a rake at least once, often twice a week. That isn't taking into account any holes that my dog decides she wants to dig.

[boo]

I've seen interviews with Chinese manufacturers and their claim is that the inferior products is more about American greed rather than the inability for them to manufacture quality parts. It's the demand of corporate America for bigger profits that has lead consumers into this never ending free fall of cheaply made imports. So many products off the shelf do not work or at least have a short life span. It's a pretty sad day when you choose something made in Taiwan over the China made counter part because the Taiwan stuff is so much better. We are getting to the point that made in the USA is not even an option on the shelf.

I have a buddy that's in QA for a company that works between chinese and US manufacturing. He says the same thing. The stuff the middle class Chinese are buying that is made in China is infinitely better then the crap they send us.

It was like when the American companies made stuff in Japan in the 80's, it was crappy. Then the Japanese companies started selling quality Japanese made products and they were considered quality products. Now people pay extra for made in Japan.

I also have some Italian made furniture. It's ****, because its made for Ikea.

Where it's made doesn't determine quality, it's the extent companies go to make it cheaper. American manufacturing is making a big comeback. Its not for better quality, but cost analysis on a lot of products show its logistically cheaper to make it here instead of shippong it here.

[Spider-TW]

American manufacturing is making a big comeback. Its not for better quality, but cost analysis on a lot of products show its logistically cheaper to make it here instead of shippong it here.

The penetration of CNC machines to smaller volume shops like Luke is making a lot of things possible and practical, where they weren't before. ICD can make 100 to 1,000 markers with intricate machining much easier than they could have 10 years ago. Between CNC and 3D printing, there's a lot of custom machining capability getting more practical.

[boo]

Did Youngblood move all manufacturing to China? I know he previously had the rough machining done there, then did the final machining in his shop. I know he had a hell of a shop a few years ago.

They do a lot of contract machining, so my guess is the good machines do the more lucrative stuff. I heard the thing that saved them from going completely under was a big government contract they signed recently. I'm not sure if that was a machine contract or a helmet contract through their aquisition of protec helmets.

Thank the paintball gods for government contracts, or there would never be quality shops making quality gear.

[SoulCoffin]

So ICD's first step back into the gun game is a pump

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looks really nice, but at $500, I think I'd just go cheaper and get a decent sniper

[splat15k]

There seems to be a lot of balking at the price point...what were people expecting for a gun that's manufactured, not just assembled, in the USA?