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  • rawbutter
    Registered User
    • Feb 2007
    • 1463

    #1

    why doesn't every new Automag look like this?

    I finished my latest custom build recently (with a Dye NT frame and a nice rail), and for the first time ever, I was struck by this weird, profound sense of guilt. I really, really like the way everything came together. It's light. It's comfortable. It looks slick. But I felt regret. Why? Because I'm one of the very few who will ever have a chance to own something like this. The NT frame was hard to find. I haven't seen another splinter rail for sale in forever. Basically, even if I wanted to build another for someone else, I probably couldn't. And it got me wondering a very profound question:

    Why don't all new Automags look like this?

    I get why the Automag was designed the way it was. It's functional and simple. And when I'm buying used parts that were made 10-20 years ago, I don't really mind. But when I go to AGD's website, the markers still look/feel mostly the same. Functional. Utilitarian. And that's fine for something cheap like a Tippmann, but this is an Automag. We've proven time and time again on the MOTM threads that Automags can look like art. I think it's time that AGD picked up on that.

    And yes, I do appreciate what AGD has been doing recently. The custom FX bodies were very cool. The x-frame is nice. But it's still a little...old looking. Some people obviously love that. But others don't. And there are no new products for that group. Just a long, exhausting hunt for parts that might never be found.

    This ties back into another topic of conversation that pops up from time to time. Is AGD dead? Why doesn't AGD sell more? And I've been holding back for a long time with my opinion, because I wasn't sure, but I don't think the answer is that people don't want mechanical guns. Or that people can't afford $600 for a new marker. I think it's because people don't want to pay $600 for a mechanical marker that still looks like something from 1995. If I'm paying $600 for a new mechanical marker, I want it to be beautiful. Sexy. I want it to look something like the Resurrection, or an M2. Not an Automag.

    I'm not saying to abandon the old, classic line. There are obviously still people out there that want that. But I wish AGD would design a new, sexy custom marker. Charge more for it, but all means. But make it available.

    My vision is basically very similar to something I just built. An x-valve; a ULE body (with the front slant trimmed off, of course, like the Pariah body), a long, simple ULE rail (like the RPG shadow or recon rail), and a really comfortable frame. I wonder. Would AGD get into legal trouble if they designed a frame to mimic the Dye NT frame? It wouldn't be a perfect copy, of course. They would have to move the screw holes and change the trigger. But it could very close....maybe even use the same grips.

    If AGD could do that, make a new, sexy marker, and maybe do some advertising on PBN and MCB, I don't think it would have trouble selling. Of course, it would make all our custom markers that much less rare and special, but that's a hit I'm willing to take.
  • captian pinky
    Bearded Works

    • Oct 2004
    • 2755

    #2
    They won't make a frame like that because of the length and compatability. Period. It's been talked about before. Do you know how many people have purchased logic frames that were mad because they couldn't use short rails. AGD isn't dead but it is run as a side business not a main source of income. Because of this there is little to no marketing, funding for design etc. people aren't going to dedicate hundreds of hours to designing something to hand over to a company that can't afford it for them to scrape together funds to pay a machinist, material, anodizing, etc.. AGD wouldn't even want to make something similar to a dye frame because of the potential for a lawsuit. Not to mention you can buy a year old dm for the price of a new mag, ramps, tournament legal and is easily maintained with virtually everyone being able to tech. The same can't be said for mags.

    The rails AGD are producing now are lighter than those in the past. They could make them lighter and longer etc. which I believe luke was involved with but when they produce a part they want everything compatible.


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    • luke
      lukescustoms.com

      • Jan 2001
      • 8211

      #3
      That DYE frame is hideous, and that trigger! lol (Sorry)

      I dont really see what's so special about the rail either(?)
      Last edited by luke; 06-11-2017, 10:04 AM.

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      • awo702
        Registered User

        • Aug 2015
        • 473

        #4
        I'm with Luke on that. I guess it's all about personal preference though.


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        • Nobody
          Nobody's Perfect
          • Oct 2001
          • 3384

          #5
          UL frames are too thin and uncomfortable.

          Splinter rail, eh. I have seen better looking ones.

          Never minded the slant or longer nose of a ULE body.
          But
          The quick of it. Cockers are sexy, everything else is sexy, new and a fad. Mags are none of this. You have to hit the mark of a new product, in order to garner interest. Hell, the X frame has been out for months, yet how many MotM have even featured it? We oursleves, by not even buying direct from the factory are causing this. You want money for newer, updated designs? Money talks, bulls**t talks.

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          • rawbutter
            Registered User
            • Feb 2007
            • 1463

            #6
            Originally posted by captian pinky View Post
            AGD wouldn't even want to make something similar to a Dye frame because of the potential for a lawsuit.
            You really think that's part of the issue? I don't think it's possible to patent a shape. I mean, if AGD made something exactly the same, then yeah, that's a problem. But If it was only inspired by the shape and had different mounting holes and a different trigger and some different internal brackets...

            Besides, the current AGD x-frame uses Dye sticky grips. If it's not a problem now, I don't see why it would be a problem for a redesign.
            Last edited by rawbutter; 06-12-2017, 10:27 AM.

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            • smallerfreeze
              Bury me with my mag
              • Apr 2017
              • 241

              #7
              everyone has their own unique and magical mag taste... personally i kind of like the dye nt frame and trigger.. but i can understand mag purists dislike for things of the nature
              Matthew 10:34

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              • going_home
                Hebrews 13:8

                • Dec 2004
                • 8343

                #8
                Personally I've never cared for mags with Dye or Planet Eclipse frames, but that's just me.

                If you like it, that's all that matters.

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                • Cyco-Dude

                  #9
                  i like that automags are basic-looking and utilitarian. i also like that they are easily customizable, so you can set them up how you like. nicer parts are a lot more expensive, thus the more basic options from agd.

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                  • smallerfreeze
                    Bury me with my mag
                    • Apr 2017
                    • 241

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Cyco-Dude View Post
                    i like that automags are basic-looking and utilitarian. i also like that they are easily customizable, so you can set them up how you like. nicer parts are a lot more expensive, thus the more basic options from agd.
                    the new x-frame looks really good i think.. $140 bucks but it comes with sweet trigger choices, so i guess thats basic enough
                    Matthew 10:34

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                    • luke
                      lukescustoms.com

                      • Jan 2001
                      • 8211

                      #11
                      Originally posted by smallerfreeze View Post
                      the new x-frame looks really good i think.. $140 bucks but it comes with sweet trigger choices, so i guess thats basic enough
                      Unfortunately it's not a customizable platform, plus it's not ULE milled, all things that the Automag community expects these days.

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                      • smallerfreeze
                        Bury me with my mag
                        • Apr 2017
                        • 241

                        #12
                        Originally posted by luke View Post
                        Unfortunately it's not a customizable platform, plus it's not ULE milled, all things that the Automag community expects these days.
                        yea that does suck... for my classic im about to pull the trigger on one though, literally and figuratively pun also intended
                        Matthew 10:34

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                        • Walker
                          O.F.P.P.A. Member
                          • Nov 2002
                          • 386

                          #13
                          Ughhh... That Dye frame looks terrible....


                          Walker
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                          • Redic
                            I Am Lame- club captain

                            • May 2008
                            • 320

                            #14
                            Yeah AGD make a marker that looks like everything else
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                            • cougar20th
                              Registered User

                              • Sep 2002
                              • 2330

                              #15
                              Biggest problem I see isn't designing, or making the frames. Its making the rubber grips that are specific to a frame. The investment is huge and if that frame doesn't sell the lose would be.

                              And buying grips from dye in this case wouldn't be a viable option for a large run of frames. If they discontinue or sell out of the grips before you buy all you need your screwed. Its always a bad idea to rely on another supplier for what is such a essential part.

                              Something like this would be a project better suited for Luke, Xmt or myself where low quantity isn't a issue and buying a few grips from dye isn't a issue.


                              My personal opinion is the frame is to long and eliminates to large a portion of automag owners. Some like myself are stuck with being able to only use minimag length rails for things like pumpmags.
                              Originally posted by dano_____
                              I keep forgetting to not feed my mags after midnight so they seem to multiply regularly.

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