Something you should all read about Automag weight

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  • tysonmachado
    Chrome Psycho
    • Jun 2001
    • 336

    #1

    Something you should all read about Automag weight

    I just posted this in another thread but it is something that many people should know. The reputation of the Automag as a heavy gun is really quite exaggerated and somewhat unfair. For a while I myself fell for the hype but with time, and better accessories. I have been noticing that my automag really isn't that heavy (when I first bought it used it came with a stainless steel barrel, stainless steel dropforward, and a stainless steel nitro tank; it really was heavy.) We should all try harder to find the truth about the equipment we use rather than falling for the misinformed rumors and the corporate hype. Anyway, here is my experiment to find just how much heavier the Automag is:

    I have two things to bring to this argument:
    -more paintball paintball stuff sitting in my basement than should be there
    -an accurate kitchen scale

    I have said many times that the Automag is not significantly heavier than other paintball guns. I even said this to the boyfriend of Tempestwolf earlier this evening. After reading through this thread I decided to perform a little experiment.
    I took two guns:

    AUTOMAG 68 powerfeed left with tournement legal thumb adjuster, stock composite grip frame, AGD rubber wraparound grips, brass air line elbow, and nickel plated male quick disconnect fitting. No barrel, no foregrip, no dropforward.

    PIRANHA G3 VTL with stock composite grip frame, stock plastic grip panels, beavertail sightrail (so the rear cocking knob doesn't smack ya in the face), aluminum asa to 1/8 NPT adapter, and nickel plated male quick disconnect fitting. No barrel, no foregrip, no dropforward.

    I weighed each of them on my kitchen scale:

    The Automag weighs 2 pounds even.

    The Piranha weighs 1 pound 15 ounces.

    Since we all know that there are 16 ounces to the pound we can see that the Automag does weigh more by a whole whopping ounce!

    At this point, those of you who are reading this and are quite clever are saying, " but when you remove the barrel of an Automag you also remove the breach, and that is added weight which your experiment does not account for!"
    This is true. Fortunately, I just happen to have a 14 inch All American barrel with stainless steel back for the automag, and I also just happen to have a 14 All American barrel with stainless steel back for the Pirahna. Since stainless is about the heaviest material barrels are made from, the steel backs will best accentuate the difference in weight. If both of these barrels were aluminum the difference would be less. Putting each in turn upon the trusty kitchen scale we see:

    The Automag barrel weighs 11 ounces.

    The Piranha barrel weighs 10 ounces.

    Now we have another whole ounce difference between them, added to the first ounce it is plain to see that when each gun is set up with the minimum amount of equipment to run on a remote line, and when each is using the same barrel with stainless steel threads, the Automag weighs 2 ounces more than the Piranha. To put that into pwerspective, a Viewloader hopper elbow with thumbscrews weighs just about two ounces.
    So is two ounces really enough weight to slow you down? Is the Automag really such a monsterous beast of a gun? Or do we just hear rumors about how heavy the Automag is, then look at the stainless steel valve and body and think "it must be heavy...it IS heavy...how can someone carry ALL THAT WEIGHT?!?!"
    My good traders list, and feedback for me:http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...251#post303251
  • FordPrefect
    Back to school :(:(:(
    • Mar 2002
    • 1053

    #2
    Nice work. But the thing is, WE know that the Automag isn't heavy. If you would post this at PB Nation or someplace, they will all argue with you.
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    • RT_Luver
      Co-Official AO Penguin
      • Jan 2002
      • 1827

      #3
      ya know.....why is it that people fall into such hype and crap...I say if u like the gun u like it and u can find some way around all the disadvatages. But I like ur reasoning.
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      • TheBigRaguPB4L
        Proud Loser!
        • May 2001
        • 1639

        #4
        correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't the rumor that the EMAG's are heavy? i held one once with stock barrel with no tank or hopper and it seemed like it weighed the same as my whole setup. emag's are heavy, but i don't think i've heard anyone say that regular mags are heavy.
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        • Thordic
          AFTICA
          • May 2001
          • 5986

          #5


          Read that post and you'll see why AutoMags seem heavy. It may not be the gun itself, but its all the crap we toss on it :)

          People who own Spyders usually seem to have a small tank and a VL200.

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          • cphilip
            Former Moderator

            • Jun 2026
            • 16216

            #6
            That is so true Thordic. Many feel my Emag and say "Wow" thats heavy...and it is. Its got a warp feed on it and they never held a marker with one on. But its the price you gotta pay if you want the advantages of Warp Feed.


            AGD, where we are so good we can do it with only ONE tube!

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            • pip_999
              Canadian Bunker Boyz
              • Sep 2001
              • 768

              #7
              and i quote from the movie "snatch":

              "Heavy? Heavy is good, if it doesnt work you cna alwasy hit him with it"
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              • Rueben_the_wanderer
                wandering student
                • Mar 2002
                • 65

                #8
                Some people might confuse bad weight distribution for heaviness.
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                • cphilip
                  Former Moderator

                  • Jun 2026
                  • 16216

                  #9
                  Well... to add to that, I most often get the coment "Heavy but it's so well balanced"


                  AGD, where we are so good we can do it with only ONE tube!

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                  • TheTramp
                    Registered User
                    • Jan 2001
                    • 4019

                    #10
                    It isn't nessasaraly all hype. My Mag is VERY heavy. I guess it doesn't have to be but it is. SS barrel, drop, Warp, 12V, Al trigger frame, steel N2 tank. It all adds up. Of course I figure that if I can't carry around this weight for 15 minutes 10 or so times a day then I need to worry more about my arms then about my Mag.
                    "Relax. Don't worry. Have a Home Brew."
                    -Charlie Papazian

                    Feedback: http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...threadid=40134

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                    • tysonmachado
                      Chrome Psycho
                      • Jun 2001
                      • 336

                      #11
                      Personally, I prefer balanced to light. If it needed it, I'd tie a 2-pound lead block to the end of my barrel for perfect balance.
                      I agree that much of the weight rumor comes from accessories. If you want performance you have to be aware of the tradeoffs of all upgrades and buy the ones that suit your needs instead of just getting the latest and greatest fad.
                      And on the subject of upgrades, a lot of people seem to neglect that the Automag has an integrated regulator when they make comparisons. If you want a regulated system (ignoring the tank reg) you need to add a regulator to the Piranha (or other Spyder clone.) The Air America Vigilante weighs 7 ounces. Take that into consideration and the 2 ounce difference including stainless backed barrels becomes a 5 ounce difference in favor of the Automag. So assuming all other accsessories are identical the 'feather light' spyderclones equipped for similar performance actually weigh 5 ounces more than the 'heavy' Automag!
                      My good traders list, and feedback for me:http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...251#post303251

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                      • CAPTINSANE
                        Registered User
                        • May 2005
                        • 21

                        #12
                        if it is heavy...then grow some muscles

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                        • buzzboy
                          Emo grass cuts inself
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 1322

                          #13
                          We also know that if you want you can make an automag just as light or lighter with all ule upgrades, composite trigger frame, no forgrip, CF barrel and standard ASA. Look at warpig. They had an RT pro "as light as electros". Here's the link http://www.warpig.com/paintball/tech...g/index2.shtml

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                          • BigEvil
                            www.BigEvilOnline.com

                            • Feb 2005
                            • 9333

                            #14
                            Great post. Nothing like smacking the ignorant in their soft heads with hard facts

                            Yes, mags are a bit heavier than most guns.
                            Yes, mags get very heavy from all of the crap we add on to them.

                            Since I used to run around the woods at Skirmish hauling a dual tank Vm68 set up with a CAR15 stock... Im not going to complain about any gun being 'too heavy'

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                            • zaqwert6
                              Nobody Special
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 108

                              #15
                              People don't complain about the Automags weight anymore...the biggest complaint by most is the same as with this thread...it's old and outdated.

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