AO army- help the man in a coma!

[MikeCouves]

Did somebody say pop contest?. Anyways, I agree wit Shartley on the helmet thing, it is kind of harsh but that's just the way it is. It could have all been prevented.

But imagine how his family members feel about paintball and how angry they must be?

[Havoc_online]

I Can't believe you see it like that!! He should have been wearing a helmet? Well he might as well been wearing a JT mask just in case. As far as your analogies with baseball, golf, cars, etc. That's ignorant talk, If I hit someone on the head with a bat, there is no chance of anyone shuting down baseball. What if they move to make paintball guns illegal? what if the sport is banned? Do you realize what this could mean? Just wait till you need a permit to buy a gun, anyone under 18 can't play anymore, how old are you? do you know anyone under 18 who likes to play? Do you think that him wearing a helmet would make a difference to anyone who wants paintball to stay in the dark or even get it banned? That's just dumb luck, but we have to show that were not a bunch of mindless poeple with guns, we have to show them that we are people who play a sport and can take action. By us helping does'nt mean were responible, but it does show that were care about what happens in our own sporting world. I can't believe this board isnt full of people waiting to help. Instead everyone is waiting for a chance at a warp or an RT Pro. I'm seriously thinking about using my money I was going to use to buy a warp to send to this guy, all I need is Tom's word that he can organize everyone who wants to help, If not, then I'll send the money the the guy directly.

[HoppysMag]

so what? he shoulda wore a helmet. if we pay, thats like sayin "WELL WERE AT FAULT, SO WE WILL PAY" And the thing about bud orrs shops being mobed by reporters, all i would say was "Was he wearing a helmet?" "Where any actual injurys recieved directly from the paintballs?". and if they want to get nasty about it, kick them out.

[boss_automager]

Shartley why is it that all your posts are so long,I'm on hooked on Phonics and i have trouble with posts that long.But yeah if tom organizes it i guess i'll donate.

[Havoc_online]

I don't think enough of you are looking at the bigger picture, will it matter if he was wearing a helmet in court when his family wants to get kids with paintball guns in L.A. banned?

[tremis]

Shartley, you are a fruitbooter? I never would have guessed. To each his own. I guess everybody has to make their own lifestyle choices.
And you know, when people whine to me, I always quote Denis Leary and tell em " Life sucks, buy a helmet" it feels kind of weird to say it now.

Tremis

[shartley]

Havoc_online

I Can't believe you see it like that!! He should have been wearing a helmet? Well he might as well been wearing a JT mask just in case.

As far as your analogies with baseball, golf, cars, etc. That's ignorant talk, If I hit someone on the head with a bat, there is no chance of anyone shuting down baseball.

What if they move to make paintball guns illegal? what if the sport is banned? Do you realize what this could mean?

If they move to make paintball MARKERS illegal we will deal with THAT issue at THAT time. Ban the sport? See my last sentence.

Do I realize what this would mean? Sure it means that the sky is falling! The sky is falling!

Just wait till you need a permit to buy a gun, anyone under 18 can't play anymore, how old are you? do you know anyone under 18 who likes to play?

Do you think that him wearing a helmet would make a difference to anyone who wants paintball to stay in the dark or even get it banned?

That's just dumb luck, but we have to show that were not a bunch of mindless poeple with guns, we have to show them that we are people who play a sport and can take action.

By us helping does'nt mean were responible, but it does show that were care about what happens in our own sporting world.

I can't believe this board isnt full of people waiting to help. Instead everyone is waiting for a chance at a warp or an RT Pro.

I'm seriously thinking about using my money I was going to use to buy a warp to send to this guy, all I need is Tom's word that he can organize everyone who wants to help, If not, then I'll send the money the the guy directly.

I don't think enough of you are looking at the bigger picture, will it matter if he was wearing a helmet in court when his family wants to get kids with paintball guns in L.A. banned?

Ahhh, now there is the rub. You are thinking with your heart (which is not a bad thing), but in COURT you need much more than heart. His family would be torn apart by even a first year law student. They could possibly get paintball banned because of the attack (but probably not), but NEVER for him being in a coma. THAT was his fault and no amount of paintballs (even shot directly at his head from such a distance) would put him in a coma. That was caused directly from the fall, and even I have easily shown how a fall is easily caused by many things, not just paintballs hitting you.

I think YOU are not looking at the bigger picture, sorry. You are only looking at this one guy and his family. You are not looking at the actual ramifications caused by making a group donation to pay his bills. The reasons have already been clearly stated, so I will not do so again.

tremis

Shartley, you are a fruitbooter? I never would have guessed. To each his own. I guess everybody has to make their own lifestyle choices.

What on earth does THAT mean?

[HoppysMag]

Havoc_online. same things true with brass eagel. but aint nuthin is gunna get done. its not the paintball comunitys falt its the individual. im ok with sendin a get well soon card and mabey a letter sayin how these kids dont represent us as a hole. mabey even a little money. but if we pay this guys hospital bills then were are admitting that we did something wrong. which we did not.

Shartly i agree with you......wow that feels wierd to say.

[jah871]

im am also in complete agreement with shartley. im not saying we shouldn't get money for him and i feel very bad for the man but all the paintball players are not at fault. its not our falt that some kids misused the paintball equipment, just my opinion.

[sajohnston]

God bless Shartley

Shartley you never let me down, your eloquence and message quoting skills are unrivaled. Seriously I totally agree with you, catch the offenders, let medicare take care of the coma. Sending greenbacks his way would only whip the media into a bigger frenzy.

[Havoc_online]

I agree I am totally for sending those punks to jail and I do believe that would be the perfect thing to do, but how are we going to do that if we no nothing about those kids or where they live or who they are? My only real point was that 5bucks here 10bucks there wouldnt affect us to much, but would do more that calling some kids-punks. I still don't believe it shows that we are at fault, It shows that by trying to find out who those kids are, helping the police, and helping a little with any possible money issues, that we are at least trying to show that we are completely against it and we are doing everything we can.

[tysonmachado]

If you guys really want to send him a lump of money, go ahead and organize it yourself. "Concerned painballers organize to help injured man" would look a lot better in a newspaper than "Paintball company pays reparations for injuries. If individuals try to help, while making the statement that we do not condone the misuse of paintball equipment, could show the world that there are a lot of nice people who play paintball. If the paintball industry gives him money it looks like a settlement or an attempt to avoid legal action. It also looks like an admission of guilt and it sets a dangerous precedent. Next thing you know everyone who is injured because of morons with paintball guns and everyone who suffers property damages from paintball vandalism will expect the paintball companies to compensate them as well.

[shartley]

Havoc_online
I fully understand your position, and you are free to do as YOU feel you need to. But when you suggest that AO send the money as a group, I am against it (as it seems many others are as well). That is just sending the wrong message whether you know it (or think) or not. I even stated that those that felt strongly about it should send the money if that is what made THEM feel good, but to do so as private individuals. By doing that you are not sending any message but one for yourself.

AO is a large group and if they sent a donation AS a group it goes with a much stronger meaning.

I agree I am totally for sending those punks to jail and I do believe that would be the perfect thing to do, but how are we going to do that if we no nothing about those kids or where they live or who they are?

tysonmachadotremis

[FaSSt]

I FULLY agree with shartley

Bad things CAN and DO happen to innocent people all of the time. There simply is not enough money in the world to try to right all such wrongs.

I feel bad for the poor guy in the coma. However, I do not feel like I have ANY obligation to send him money, or feel responsible in the least for anything that happened to him.

I don't know how things work in California, but in Florida shooting paintballs at another, unwilling person outside of a paintball field would be considered assault, and rightly so. Any energies expended in helping the guy in question should be focused toward locating the alleged shooters.

While I for one applaud your desire to help, I refuse to involve my wallet in this situation.

[Havoc_online]

A JT Mask is designed to protect you playing PAINTBALL. A helmet is designed to protect you while Roller Blading. Did the paintballs hit him in the head and cause him to go into a coma? No, his falling and hitting his head on the pavement did. And falling is a COMMON thing when Roller Blading, thus the helmets. If he was wearing a helmet, would the fall have caused a coma?

someone does not recongize sarcasm

I proved nothing for you, Face it, paintball is not just any sprot, its an extreme sport that can be abused pretty bad by the wrong people, I'm not running anywhere only stating that it's a very sensitive subject.

If they move to make paintball MARKERS illegal we will deal with THAT issue at THAT time. Ban the sport? See my last sentence.

why wait till it's about to blow up in your face, deal with it when it's not as big a deal when we have the upper hand.


a permit to buy a marker, you know what I meant, btw bb and pellet guns don't fire 10+rps THATS why it's not a big deal, any kid can rain on a whole crowd with ease, and great for your kids cause they happen to have a parent who plays, what about the kids who have problems as it is because of all the heat their parents give them, just because it works out for you doesnt mean a thing.

I do agree that he should have worn a helmet but the fact is he did'nt fall because of a rock in the road, he fell because of some idiots, I do no there has been many cases like this but you have to take it as it goes, no don't ignore it.

I am simply in no position to help lock anyone up as are many but I am in a position to help a little. My only msg I want to send is that I don't condone what was done.

Ok, this is a low blow, I myself will be trying to win something but no one is asking you to pay anyones bills only to give some pocket change, I do think that if these kids are brought to justice then all is well but how are you going to do that? If you came up with something I'd back you up but this is something that can easliy be done.

again your right, this board is merely a poll in case anyone else wanted to help if the majority in the end wants to great if not then there are other ways.

I think YOU are not looking at the bigger picture, sorry. You are only looking at this one guy and his family. You are not looking at the actual ramifications caused by making a group donation to pay his bills. The reasons have already been clearly stated, so I will not do so again.

the bigger picture to me is all the people and parents who are unlike you and will look at the trouble their kids might get into if they let them get into the sport, I think they will have gotten this idea because of simple acts like these and will assume that this is a common thing around paintballers.

Shartley you never let me down, your eloquence and message quoting skills are unrivaled.

don't assume a well spoken person is a always a right person

If you guys really want to send him a lump of money, go ahead and organize it yourself. "Concerned painballers organize to help injured man" would look a lot better in a newspaper than "Paintball company pays reparations for injuries. If individuals try to help, while making the statement that we do not condone the misuse of paintball equipment, could show the world that there are a lot of nice people who play paintball. If the paintball industry gives him money it looks like a settlement or an attempt to avoid legal action. It also looks like an admission of guilt and it sets a dangerous precedent. Next thing you know everyone who is injured because of morons with paintball guns and everyone who suffers property damages from paintball vandalism will expect the paintball companies to compensate them as well.

This is a very good point but it's not a paintball company who would be helping out, it's a paintball forum, and the money would be coming from paintballers. If it happened again to someone else, if anyone did or did not want to help then it would be fine as well.