Im begining to question the advantage of a high ROF.

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  • Butterfingers
    PhD in Automagology
    • Jan 2001
    • 2263

    #1

    Im begining to question the advantage of a high ROF.

    I was over at donggie's monday night prior to a private group game at high velocity, so he could "hook up" my e-mag. Unfortunately the e-mag/warp power hack didnt work as planned and the warp kept spinning uncontrollably when the e-mag powered up with the sensitivity jumper REMOVED and the pot turned all the way down.

    It was getting late and we had to go NOW, my e-mag was sitting on the floor with wires haning out of it and parts strewn across the room. Rather than hastily throwing it back together I whooped out my classic mag and decided to play with that for the night.

    It was rudimentary compared to modern standards, with a hopper on top and co2 on the bottom. Luckily I knew James, the owners son, at high velocity and he hooked me up with a nitro tank for the night.

    I was a bit nervous at first concidering the hyped up competition donngie hinted at. I thought to myself, "well, at least the gun is light..." Surely I thought I was going to be outgunned.

    In reality it was quite the opposite. My manuevers became smoother. My shots became twice as accurate. That hopper on top to tell you the truth isnt ALL that bad.

    I ended up bunkering 5 people in a 2 hour period, I dont know how to explain it but I played ALOT smoother with a lesser gun.

    So in conclusion, does a high ROF help? Surely it does. However, in order for it to be effective you must first learn how to play without it.

    ROF without adequate skill only serves to mask insufficencies in a person's game. Knowing I did not have a high ROF that night made me play smarter, and harder. Instead of blowing paint down the feild I actually thought hard about flanking angles and made quick gut wrenching decisions about offensive and defensive moves. And god forbid, I actually took care in AIMING. Much more so than before.

    Ill be playing with my "rudimentary" classic mag alot more often. When I go back to my e-mag I expect to become a much better player.

    ROF is hype, BUT only for those who don't have the skill to use it.
    Last edited by Butterfingers; 03-27-2002, 08:09 AM.
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  • shartley
    • Jun 2026

    #2
    AMEN!

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    • krafty
      Senior Discount
      • Jun 2001
      • 1124

      #3
      Originally posted by shartley
      AMEN!
      I 2nd that!

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      • pip_999
        Canadian Bunker Boyz
        • Sep 2001
        • 768

        #4
        Originally posted by krafty


        I 2nd that!
        1 3rd that
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        • cphilip
          Former Moderator

          • Jun 2026
          • 16216

          #5
          Last edited by cphilip; 03-27-2002, 02:18 PM.


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          • nerobro
            Registered User
            • Oct 2001
            • 923

            #6
            Re: Im begining to question the advantage of a high ROF.

            Originally posted by Butterfingers
            It was rudimentary compared to modern standards, with a hopper on top and co2 on the bottom. Luckily I knew James, the owners son, at high velocity and he hooked me up with a nitro tank for the night.
            That's how my mag started.. and I learned how bad freezign the tank can get. I froze the powertube o-ring twice in my mag.. ever.. but I made a whole lot of co2 tanks freeze solid ;-) Be happy for the n2
            I was a bit nervous at first concidering the hyped up competition donngie hinted at. I thought to myself, "well, at least the gun is light..." Surely I thought I was going to be outgunned.
            You're or at least were dependant on the gun.... Not a good situation.
            In reality it was quite the opposite. My manuevers became smoother. My shots became twice as accurate. That hopper on top to tell you the truth isnt ALL that bad.
            There is a reason I do as much of my serious practice with a pumpgun. Hoppers aren't an issue if you dont' leave it exposed long enough.
            I ended up bunkering 5 people in a 2 hour period, I dont know how to explain it but I played ALOT smoother with a lesser gun.
            Using a "lesser" gun teaches you not to depend on equipment. There is a chicago field that caters to the higher end player... more serious player. the place is country club paintball. In the advanced games... it's hard to find a non-electro gun. They can be interesting games to watch, more interesting to play in. Especially when you get one ball versus their 10 ;-)
            So in conclusion, does a high ROF help? Surely it does. However, in order for it to be effective you must first learn how to play without it.
            I'm glad you've seen the light. Though the conditions that brought that out are kinda mild.
            ROF without adequate skill only serves to mask insufficencies in a person's game. Knowing I did not have a high ROF that night made me play smarter, and harder. Instead of blowing paint down the feild I actually thought hard about flanking angles and made quick gut wrenching decisions about offensive and defensive moves. And god forbid, I actually took care in AIMING. Much more so than before.

            Ill be playing with my "rudimentary" classic mag alot more often. When I go back to my e-mag I expect to become a much better player.

            ROF is hype, BUT only for those who don't have the skill to use it.
            ROF without skill is just a way to shoot paint. IT doesn't even really mask for a lack of skill. (IE the people who take pgp's and pop players with angels...) This is more a point on how to improve your skill level... ... ROF is not hype. And it has it's place. NOTHING will replace ROF when sweet spotting a lane, or running off the break.

            When I run my pumpguns... I dont' even bother fireing more than one shot off the break. I just concentrate on the run.

            BTW, I practice what I preach. I played skyball with team PPIG. And This weekend I will yet again be at CCP, PGP in hand.

            I'll see ya at the flag.

            -Nero
            To be an AGD supporter, one cannot be an AGD bigot. -Nero

            Truth is a complex thing. One must govern by simplicity. -M. Mercier, special counsel to his Majesty for domestic matters. The Brotherhood of the Wolf

            "You can't outrun Death forever, but you can make the bastard work for it."

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            • shartley
              • Jun 2026

              #7
              nerobro
              HEY! Only I am allowed to make posts like that!

              (j/k )

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              • pumpamatic
                TIM-MAY!!!
                • Jun 2001
                • 822

                #8
                I will agree that a high ROF isn't neccessary, but I also love how fast I can snapshoot 3 shots with my mag and get back in the bunker.
                http://www.digitalpaintball.net - I love this game!

                Chrome adds around 4 bps to any gun.

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                • hitech
                  Not a shedder of vortices
                  • Nov 2001
                  • 4775

                  #9
                  Originally posted by RobAGD
                  You can only hide your lack of game with your Rate of Fire for so long.
                  You have seen the light at the end of the tunnel, and it's not a train.


                  Hey Hitech your starting to sound like me! - AGD
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                  • MikeCouves
                    The Enemy
                    • Aug 2001
                    • 1877

                    #10
                    Originally posted by pip_999


                    1 3rd that
                    \

                    I 4th that!
                    "If everything is under control your not moving fast enough."

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                    • Miscue
                      Super Moderator

                      • Oct 2000
                      • 7105

                      #11
                      I rarely open up on the trigger... and usually keep it brief when I do. I stay limited to basic snap shooting - quick bursts - and just tap on the trigger to hold people in their bunkers (mostly to make sure I'm lined up good). I shoot fast usually when opponents are on the move, when I've got a good shot on them, a lane needs to be held down... basically whenever the situation really calls for it. But, I make it a policy to lay off the trigger most of the time so people will forget about me being a threat.

                      A fast trigger is VERY useful when you're doing quick bursts or on the occassion that you need to be shooting a good stream. When bursting you get a ball or two extra out in same amount of time with less effort... and of course strings are easier when you need them.

                      Patience and playing smart will get you more kills than your 16bps finger. When I'm on the field, I'm out fishing. Easier to hook em if you ain't making a big scene. Let them take a nibble and reel them in hard.

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                      • Fred
                        AO Zealot
                        • Feb 2002
                        • 2624

                        #12
                        Fred

                        hehe... my Phantom gets maybe 3bps when I autotrigger it...

                        Anyway... last summer at Futureball i had played the whole day with my VSC Phantom, shot maybe 200 rounds, didn't get a ton of elims, but my share. Last game was hyperball, and my good friend Wyn1370 started to clean up early, and handed my his RetroMinimag for the last game... I made it almost to the 50 in the first break, and got 6 elims in the first 15 seconds (something like 15 on 15 or more.. very target rich environment).

                        My Stock class skills make me move alot, really fast, to make up for the lower rate of fire, but switching to the Retro for that game showed me that I really had improved my skills playing Stock class all summer long.

                        I did end up getting gogged though, since I had my head out too long shooting a string... doh!

                        Now if only i can find a PUMP minimag....
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                        • hitech
                          Not a shedder of vortices
                          • Nov 2001
                          • 4775

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Miscue
                          But, I make it a policy to lay off the trigger most of the time so people will forget about me being a threat... When I'm on the field, I'm out fishing. Easier to hook em if you ain't making a big scene. Let them take a nibble and reel them in hard.
                          Hey, that's my trick.


                          Hey Hitech your starting to sound like me! - AGD
                          Hitech is the man.... :eek: - Blennidae
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                          • Macpaintballer
                            Pumpaholic
                            • Feb 2002
                            • 171

                            #14
                            I dont own a mag, but was just kinda reading through the posts and then I got to this...

                            1) Butterfingers- What team are you part of? I play at HV and the new Cousins, just sorta wondering who this is sorta coming from.

                            2) Now that you have "seen the light" how would you look upon playing with a blowback? When I say blowback, I am refering to lets say... a Piranha thats all LP with a nice reg, barrel, etc... maybe even an electro grip. Would you still see blowbacks as crap?

                            I ask this because, as I play with my blowback, I often wonder how playing with an electro imporves game that much. I only see electros as a convinience of not worrying about your fire power and accuracy, and more about stradegies and getting people out. I am really curious if I should just go electro such as a impy, or just sort of bump up to a mag or cocker.

                            So basically, after this experience, are electros all that worth it?
                            Why do all pump players seem so poor? You'd think we'd save some money on paint, but it seems like everything I save I just spend on more crap I don't need...

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                            • soilent green
                              I'm proud of my gut
                              • Jan 2002
                              • 411

                              #15
                              I agree with you thats why I got a stock class phantom however I have yet to use it in speedball maybe I'll give it a shot this week end
                              Z-griped, warped, retromag with super bolt, and warpleft polished body, freak kit and flatline 3k

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