Gary Holdren Fund!!!!

[pip_999]

great idea

i think that this is a great idea
and i believe tha money should be raised to support the medical bills, and then some money to put into the investigation

[tremis]

I hope the guy recovers. I, however will not be sending any money, as I am not responsible for his condition. Nor will I apologize for something I have not done. I still wonder what this man fell on that penetrated his helmet to cause the injury.

Tremis

[Interceptor]

I am trying really hard not to sound like a jerk here, but the guy would probably have walked away from this if he had a helmet on. This in no way excuses what these kids did, but I think he contributed some to his own injury. He could have tripped on a pebble and got the same result.

Either way, JJ, good job. I used to read your articles in the old magazines. Hope it all works out for this guy, and they catch those kids.

[AllAmericanMag]

Are there any updates on Gary's condition?

[soilent green]

sorry it wasn't appropriate

[Interceptor]

Don't mean to flame, but you would rather support this guy over victims of a terrorist act? Dude that is screwed up.

[-J�ker-]

Originally posted by soilent green
let me be honest I don't care about this guy I don't care if he dies I do care about the reputation of paintball and I think this will help our name I didn't give a dime to a single 9/11 fund but I'll give to this. So come on guys do it for PR not for this guy. Sorry if I offeneded any of you but thats my opinion.

what are you thinking??? you really have no cares in the world do you... sheesh

[DarkRipper]

Kudos to JJ. Not only is this the right thing to do as fellow human beings, it's also good for the sport.

To all those who don't want to contribute: That's your decision, and it's your money. However, rather than trying to convince us how right you are to NOT send money, just DON'T comment.

If people want to send money to help someone who has been injured, they should be allowed to without some holier-than-thou reasoning as to why YOU won't do it.

Grow up people.

DR

[soilent green]

I was in a bad mood but look if you want to donate go ahead

[Havoc_online]

I'm afraid I have a very sinical veiw of the world and especially 9/11 sorry but I'm very cold and care alot about my self

I don't think you really know what your talking about when you say things like that about 9/11. Your still thinking about having fun when you get home from school. Your whole frame of thought and way of life wouldnt be what it is if it were'nt for people who fight and die to protect this country and keep it they way it is, free. Hopefully one day, you'll be a little more mature and realize that an attack on any american is also an attack on your way of life.

[-J�ker-]

i hope you get drafted dude......

[tremis]

Ok I'm back, I needed my fix of AO to get throught the day :)

Darkripper
Heres an idea, how about those who wish to donate keep their traps shut. It's not Okay for me to say why I don't think I'll donate, but it's fine for at least four different people to ask me to send my money. My reply didn't ask for anything from anyone. This whole thread should be in the friendly corner or maybe the dealers forum as this seems like the sale of "good feelings". I was unaware that is not only acceptable to solicit donations but of such importance that it gets stickied to the top of the main forum. I'll be posting my donation requests soon.

Tremis

[DarkRipper]

Originally posted by tremis
Ok I'm back, I needed my fix of AO to get throught the day :)

Darkripper
Heres an idea, how about those who wish to donate keep their traps shut. It's not Okay for me to say why I don't think I'll donate, but it's fine for at least four different people to ask me to send my money. My reply didn't ask for anything from anyone. This whole thread should be in the friendly corner or maybe the dealers forum as this seems like the sale of "good feelings". I was unaware that is not only acceptable to solicit donations but of such importance that it gets stickied to the top of the main forum. I'll be posting my donation requests soon.

Tremis

Tremis:
You seem to miss the whole point in your rush to make a crappy response.

This isn't about YOU or YOUR problems; it's about some poor bastard in California that is in ICU because of paintballers. (Granted, he should have been wearing a helmet, but that's purely speculative.)
So, keep your self-righteousness in your pants, noone wants to hear whether or not you want this thread stickied or whether it belongs here or not. The mods/admins stickied it here, that should be enough for you as a member.
Next, your post and several others here (including mine, I admit) make this post a poor one for 'Friendly Corner'.

You have the option to IGNORE the threads asking for donations, whereas the people asking for donations DO NOT have the option to NOT have idiots flame them for asking.


Thanks!
DR

[soilent green]

Hey lets drop the disscusion on wether or not people should donate money and I do appreciate our freedoms here but I am really disgusted with all the corruption in the government and all these rich jerks that drive thier SUV's

[tremis]

DarkRipper, you are right this isn't about me and my problems its about some other guy and his problems. Thats the point?

I wonder why its speculative that a man should wear the proper safety gear for an activity he chose to participate in. I suppose you could speculate whether or not he would have sustained the same injury if he had been wearing the proper safety gear, but you speculate whether or not he should be wearing it. To me its not speculative, its a fact. You should wear whatever safety gear is required by the activity you are participating in.

My comments on where the thread belongs come from reading the descriptions of the forum. Click the back button twice and you will see them too.

And "that should be good enough for you as a member" thing just isn't gonna happen. The mods are not perfect, I personally have seen some of them do what I consider the wrong thing before. Believe it or not, if I feel their actions warrant a comment, I'll make it.

I still feel this is not an appropriate place to solicit donations. Mr Brookshire could have just made a post saying there is a fund and then included a link to SPLAATs page that had all of the info about it. He chose to ask me for my money instead. I felt that required a response, so I made one. Of course you feel that I should not respond because I have a different view.

I do have the option to ignore whatever I want. As does everybody else. Of course seeing the title of this thread, I didnt know it was a Donation Request . It mentioned a name and the word fund. For all I knew, it could have been a notice saying that somebody had raised money via a fund to help some terminal kid realize his dream of playing paintball with Avalanche or something. Hard to ignore something when you have to read it to find out what its about. Of course those asking for donations have the option of not asking for it in a forum that is defined as: "...where we talk about the sport of paintball in general ...". Something that obviously has nothing to do with "the sport of paintball in general".

And for the record, I flamed nobody for asking for money in my prevoius replies. My beef is with you telling me to stay quiet because I dont share you views. my statement " how about those who wish to donate keep their traps shut" was a sarcastic attempt to show you that its ridiculous to try and censor people because they don't agree with you. It obviously didn't work.

I don't share your opinion, I may not share the the popular opinion. That doesn't make me wrong for having my opinion. And I broke no rules in stating my opinion so I see no reason as to why it should be censored.

Tremis