Gary Holdren Fund!!!!

[shartley]

and all these rich jerks that drive thier SUV's

WHAT!?!?!?! You are kidding right? How about large screen TV's and nice entertainment Systems too? How about nice houses?



Some people work darn hard for what they have.... I know for one that NOONE gave me a darn thing, and I may be a jerk (as some think) but it is NOT because of the things I have... or DON'T have. And anyone who passes judgement like that needs some serious reflection..... But that is just MY opinion.

[JJBrookshire]

Asking vs. Informing

I never intended this topic to head in the direction it has taken. I simply wanted to inform the AO members of what was being done regarding this incident which seemed to concern many of you. I also never asked for donations. I simply stated that one "may" contribute and how to do so. If you wish to contribute you are welcome to, if not you are equally welcome to not. I don't intend to post a list of those that contributed and hope no one contributes for that reason.

I appreciate the moderators moving this to "Classic Status" so that the information will remain easy to find. The comments (both pro and con) are really not required. I also posted my contact info, so that if you had a particular comment you can send it to me.

[DarkRipper]

Originally posted by tremis
DarkRipper, you are right this isn't about me and my problems its about some other guy and his problems. Thats the point?

I wonder why its speculative that a man should wear the proper safety gear for an activity he chose to participate in. I suppose you could speculate whether or not he would have sustained the same injury if he had been wearing the

~snip~

I don't share your opinion, I may not share the the popular opinion. That doesn't make me wrong for having my opinion. And I broke no rules in stating my opinion so I see no reason as to why it should be censored.

Tremis

And again:
You have the option to IGNORE the threads asking for donations, whereas the people asking for donations DO NOT have the option to NOT have idiots flame them for asking.

I'm really not understanding what exactly it IS that you think you are providing by harassing the members that want to donate?

Are you really that puffed up? I'm normally not someone who flames people, but your responses show me someone whose self-importance quotient is higher than it should be.

If you don't have anything nice to say, just don't say anything at all.

That's not censorship. BTW, before you start screaming about censorship you should reread the TOS that you agreed to when you signed up here. Basically, this is a private forum and your first amendment rights don't apply. The mods can and will remove you if they don't like you, and there's jack-all you can do about it.

So, that's my opinion in a nutshell. It really just amazes me that when someone tries to do something nice for someone else, all some people can do is make harsh comments about it.

DR

[DarkRipper]

Re: Asking vs. Informing

Originally posted by JJBrookshire
The comments (both pro and con) are really not required.

How's that for gratitude?

Next time you're on your own, sir.



DR

[tremis]

They Have the option to ask somwhere else. I answered a request for money. YOU told me to be quiet. Its YOU who said my opinion isn't worth mention. Not the Mods, not the other donors. YOU seem to be the one full of self imortance telling me that while your opinion may be worth posting, mine is not. I had no intention of following up my first post, but you instructed me to not comment. I felt and still feel thats you are in no position to tell me what to do.If the mods wanna tell me to shut up, fine. They are, after all the ones selected by the owner to moderate this.
I also feel that they need to treat all of the members equally, and that it may be possible that a donation request being allowed/stickied in the main forum by a common member,could be seen as favoritism to that poster. If they don't want everybody to post donation requests there, they should allow no members to do it.
If they have double standards, then I might say something. If I get booted for it, fine. I refuse to live in fear that I may be punished if my opinion isn't popular. I find a good deal of people here very intelligent and enjoy the good debates. But I don't need to come here if I get chastised for having a different opinion.
If folks want to donate, good for them. My opinion is that it should be organized elswhere. And it is my GOD given right to have an opinion. Not a MOD given right. If I choose to state my opinion an a way that breaks no posted rules and get punished for it, I will bid AO farewell.

In closing, I never posted anything to "the donors" that can be misread to the point to imply harassment. I feel this thread is in the wrong location and I feel that YOU overstepped yourself in telling me not to comment.

Tremis

[DarkRipper]

Originally posted by tremis
They Have the option to ask somwhere else. I answered a request for money. YOU told me to be quiet. Its YOU who said my opinion isn't worth mention. Not the Mods, not the other donors. YOU seem to be the one full of self imortance telling me that while your opinion may be worth posting, mine is not. I had no intention of following up my first post, but you instructed me to not comment. I felt and still feel thats you are in no position to tell me what to do.If the mods wanna tell me to shut up, fine. They are, after all the ones selected by the owner to moderate this.
I also feel that they need to treat all of the members equally, and that it may be possible that a donation request being allowed/stickied in the main forum by a common member,could be seen as favoritism to that poster. If they don't want everybody to post donation requests there, they should allow no members to do it.
If they have double standards, then I might say something. If I get booted for it, fine. I refuse to live in fear that I may be punished if my opinion isn't popular. I find a good deal of people here very intelligent and enjoy the good debates. But I don't need to come here if I get chastised for having a different opinion.
If folks want to donate, good for them. My opinion is that it should be organized elswhere. And it is my GOD given right to have an opinion. Not a MOD given right. If I choose to state my opinion an a way that breaks no posted rules and get punished for it, I will bid AO farewell.

In closing, I never posted anything to "the donors" that can be misread to the point to imply harassment. I feel this thread is in the wrong location and I feel that YOU overstepped yourself in telling me not to comment.

Tremis

I'm not even bothering to read this, as you are too self-important to bother even considering my side of the argument. Also, Brookshire could care less too as well it seems.

So, flame on, Tremis. I'm done with you. If you really want some inspired flames, feel free to PM me. I hesitate to REALLY tell you what I think in public, what with all the children here. :)

/edit I did read the bit about your opinion being God-given rather than Mod-given... hahahaha apparently you are new to the whole message board routine. :)


DR

[sukhoi120]

Give Brookshire a Break

His statement about more comments not being neccessary was not an attack or an order to 'shut up.' All he's saying is that he started the post as a mere announcement of a kind effort he is doing. He didn't start the thread to turn into a flame war. He's just trying to help a poor guy in SoCal.

If you're against contributing, don't contribute. If you're for contributing, contribute. Just saying that the option to contribute is open, thanks to a few kind people, is not reason to immediately start screaming about your right to or not to.

I for one, am going to leave it at that and attempt not to get into an arguement.

[Big Jim]

Originally posted by Interceptor
Don't mean to flame, but you would rather support this guy over victims of a terrorist act? Dude that is screwed up.

There was WAY more money raised for the families and victims of the 9/11 terrorism acts. What 'JJ' is doing is going to benift the sport of paintballing. If this guy dies we are screwed. This could put major restrictions on the sport we play. If you don't care about it that much then mabey you shouldnt be playing paintball. Go play chess, we won't miss you. If you want to help keep the sport alive, then great, we, as paintballers, appericate your help. We need this. The sport was looked down upon before this event, now think how people feel. And I as a resident in California, not far from Orange County, I am worried about what can happen, and will make a donation. In the longrun this will help our sport, and mabey after this people will have a better attitude about paintballing.

That's just my 2 cents. Later.

[Interceptor]

Big Jim, back off. My comment was in reference to something that Soleint Green said, and he has edited his post and changed it. I am in no way attacking JJ for what he is doing.

[Big Jim]

And I am not attacking you. I was mearly making a point.

[tremis]

Newsflash !!

I just thought I'd let you guys know that Dark Ripper and myself buried the hatchet and are now playing nicely :)



Tremis

[Big Jim]

Good to hear. This is for a good cause, so there is no need to fight over it. Like I said the sport needs it, so do what you can, or do nothing.

[Interceptor]

Well, the guy died. Just giving you boys a heads up.

[Big Jim]

Can someone link me to the site that has a chart on average injuries with PB and like other sports and an artical about how safe it is and stuff, please. Thanks.

[Interceptor]

http://www.durtydan.com/ddpis/stats.html

Hope this helps