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  • magmonkey
    Mass Destruction
    • Oct 2001
    • 775

    #1

    warning to any one who recently bought jt masks

    I have had jt masks ever since they came out with the wipper system, but after about 4 years of play with my flex 7 I decided to replace it.
    I bought a flex 7 ice and I compared it to the old one and since brass eagle took over they have cheapend up the system ALOT...

    #1 the ear pieces still had mold flashing on them

    #2 they cheapend up the foam to the point that is almmost uncomfortable to wear

    and #3 THE MOST IMPORTANT
    I played with it for the second time today
    both times were indoor and chronoed at 250fps. the first game I played I was not hit in the mask and today I was hit in the mask one time from 3/4 of the field away
    and my lenses shattered!
    luckily it was enough to to stop the shell but I still got paint through the lenses so the fisrt thing i did was got off the field and had the kid who shot me chrono his marker..... 243 247 244
    here is where the problem starts I look at my friends mask that he bought at the same time ..... cracked in the same place as mine so look at a mask that belongs to one of the western massacre guys ..... same thing
    if you bought a jt mask latly check your lenses

    I am going to call jt tommorow and see what can be done,
    to me a new lense wont cut it because I no longer trust them.
    and please don't tell me that brass eagle hasn't cheapend the crap out of them because they have and they are on the way to ruining one of the best names in paintball.
  • martlet1
    Team Nutz -Micromag red
    • Aug 2001
    • 173

    #2
    flex ize

    My first flex ize mask developed a huge crack in the lens after my first game.

    Did it shatter??? It's plastic right? You have a pic? I'd like to see what your talking about. I have the 260 lens in mine (thermal).

    My mask is 2 years old, and the foam on that one sucked too. The foam actually fell out of the mask, and I replaced it with some hobby lobby black model foam. JT, as far as I know, still operates independently of Brass Eagle, even though they were bought out. The original three colors of the masks seem to hold up a bit better. I dont know if when they started making the red, blue, ect, that maybe the quality went down a bit.
    "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
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    • Fred
      AO Zealot
      • Feb 2002
      • 2624

      #3
      :::Gets up on Safety Issue Soapbox:::

      I really hope you've replaced your cracked lens Martlet1...
      Playing with a damaged lens is taking your vision into your own hands...

      :::Steps down:::

      My Spectra is 3 years old now, i bought it used with a brand new rose lens. It's in great shape, no big scratches, no chips, cracks, anything. I've probably been gogged a dozen times. I do use the tear off things though, which make cleanup a lot easier.

      If this new lens problem is a recurring one... My next mask will not be from JT...
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      • Croix71
        Registered User
        • Mar 2002
        • 717

        #4
        Whoa, either your right about JT quality going down or the kid who shot you adjusted his reg back down before he was rechronoed.






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        • Webmaster
          Former Moderator

          • Oct 2000
          • 1765

          #5
          Im sorry - but I am HIGHLY HIGHLY sceptical about this story. I want to see pics up in a day or Im thinking of removing this thread.

          I know many people dont have a love for BE - but JT is still run by the same people. Thier lens are some of the strongest in the industry - a very solid lexan that can withstand a shot gun blast. And they meet ASTM standards.

          Its possible some how you got a defective lens - or did you use any cleaner like windex that could weaken the integrity of the lens?

          This wouldnt be the first time someone has made false claims of lens failure. If it indeed did fail - document it with photos and then call JT immediately so that they can examine the cause for the failure. If there is in fact a bad batch out there - it is important you document and contact JT so that it can be dealt with.

          Sorry for the gruffness on my part - but Ive seen this sort of thing happen reatedly in my years.

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          • virus
            AO's dirty little secret
            • Oct 2000
            • 1524

            #6
            well webby... in magmonkeys defense...

            he is generaly not biased on this stuff... but i'll see if he can meet up with me somewhere (he lives a couple of streets away from me) so i can see it too.... and let ya know.... unless he gets some pics up frist... even then i still wanna look at it

            of course now i eed to go chk my nvader out.... my old spectra should be ok... but i'll be chkin that out too......
            Virus, King of the Basement Trollz has spoken

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            • martlet1
              Team Nutz -Micromag red
              • Aug 2001
              • 173

              #7
              clarification

              Hey, don't get me wrong, I love my flex mask, I just replaced the lens, and its been great ever since. I like Brass Eagle stuff, other than the guns. My mask cracked at the nose piece up to the top of the mask. Right where the gogs flex pressure point is. I have seen several masks crack on this line, because when people pack thier gear, someone will put some weight on the side of the mask and it developes a crack in the lens. That may be what happened with mine. It was shipped and may have had a small crack under the base, and when it got hit it cracked all the way up. I just put the second lens in that came with the mask and It worked great. I sent the JT lens back to Jt and they sent me a new lens (amber) but not a thermal replacement. No biggie with me.

              I want to see pics of a shattered lens. The 260 lens is in a lot of systems other than the JT frame. The manual with the lens says to replace it after every few goggle shots.
              "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
              - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
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              • Manuel_FZR
                This is my MiniMag ...
                • Oct 2001
                • 563

                #8
                Greets Manuel
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                • Gecko
                  Destructive Customs
                  • May 2001
                  • 405

                  #9
                  Webby
                  i saw the entire thing. I wouldn't describe the lens as shattered but it did crack significantly. This is one of the newest flex 7 ices with the newer visor and different goggle foam. Magmonkey is one of the most honest and stand up people i know, he doesn't screw around with this type of stuff.
                  Gecko
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                  • Gup44
                    Diehard's cutest owner
                    • Jan 2002
                    • 109

                    #10
                    Post up some pics magmonkey...
                    - Shut up and show me -

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                    • DarkRipper
                      Elite
                      • May 2001
                      • 1111

                      #11
                      I've never seen a lens smash, but I replace my lens after every close up goggle hit or after 6 months of use. What's 25 bucks when you're talking about your eyes?

                      I keep 4 spare lenses in case of this.

                      DR
                      Oderint dum metuant

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                      • DJSOLID
                        SpinWax&TradePaint
                        • Jan 2002
                        • 166

                        #12
                        I have no problem with BE. My first marker was a Raptor, and it was an excellent entry level marker. It had some problems, yes, but it also taught me how to care for a marker, to take one apart without fear, and to understand how a blowback systems works. It's inner workings are almost ridiculously simple. I never regretted owning it. I also have used JT masks for quite a few years with no disappointments, and I don't believe that BE went into their factories and told them to make products that are of less quality than previous. It just never happened. If BE is such junk like everyone says - why do they have such great market share? Easy. There will always be an entry level product to every sport. They are filling that gap. Remember, these markers most always lead to higher end markers. They are like gateway drugs.
                        The gelatin on the stainless like the diamond on the vinyl.

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                        • BTAutoMag
                          AO's Problem Child
                          • Oct 2001
                          • 7199

                          #13
                          that is a serious health and saftey issue and BE needs to get its **** together or they are going to get their *** sued. this is where the violence in paintball comes from. a player gets p*ssed at BE and starts shooting people.
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                          • pip_999
                            Canadian Bunker Boyz
                            • Sep 2001
                            • 768

                            #14
                            Originally posted by DJSOLID
                            Remember, these markers most always lead to higher end markers. They are like gateway drugs.
                            amen brother,
                            but if this is true but why havent they bought out a company like WGP, WDP, AKA or sumtin, cause after all they are "higher level" markers
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                            • BTAutoMag
                              AO's Problem Child
                              • Oct 2001
                              • 7199

                              #15
                              theyre like ciggeretts... they aim their market on younger people
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