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[BTAutoMag]

Originally posted by AGD
If you don't have a problem with breaks please compare the bolt edge with the nickel and give us a number value for the bolt's sharpness.

Thanks

AGD

2... im basing this on the picture figuring that the bolt on the right is a 1

[Cypres0099]

I've used mostly Advantage shelled paint for about 6 months now and I've had so few breaks that I can hardly remember the last time I broke a ball.

The conditions I've played in are:

Temp: 30*-85*
Weather: Dry winter weather to humid summer weather

Bounce test: I didn't do a bounce test on all of my paint but I would say that most of them averaged around 5.

Edge Rating: I haven't sanded yet and mine is about a 4 mabye a 5 I can't really tell because my thumbs are raw from golfing.

Total breakage: I'm guessing 2 in 2000

Comments: I bought my mag used so it is a little older but had not seen a tremendous amount of use. Where the old mag bolts less sharp? I ask this because the only mag that I have seen break balls is a brand new one. Any other older mag owners out there having little ball breakage problems?

[RoadDawg]

My question is does this work with AGD Foamiless bolts? Mine looks nothing like the ones in the pic above. It has the metal 3 star popping above the edges. Would I do the same method of operation? Thanks

Nick

[BlackVCG]

This applies to all bolts. If you have an old style foamieless bolt, the "sleeve" of the bolt isn't as high, but the circumference of it is what you want to round. The same as shown in the pic.

[Vegeta]

I have never had a ball break down the barrel that wasn't cuased by big paint. I have never had ANY problems with the bolt hurting paint.... and I am pretty sure this is becuase the mag I own was a former Field Rental at Wacky Warriors I belive (I bought it used from a guy who bought it at a field in STL). The boll has been cycled thousands of times and is well broke in with no sharp edges, and so it preforms well. Also the spring has been cycled plenty and adds to the performance.

Tunaman also said that he once owned a field gun and it shot very smooth too. If you have a lot of problems with your marker, some may be that its just too new *?* or user error (chop via shortstroke) and I betcha you can fix your problems by for one doing what Tom posted above and also shootign some paint thru the marker. Get to know it and you wont chop as much. Wear it and you prolly won't, how did Tom put it... hurt your "Waiting balls"...


I don't wanna take my mag all apart right now (its late) but by looking at hte nose of the bolt after taking off the barrel, I'd rate my bolt about a "3"... And I have never sanded it before.

[spacemanspiff]

I just rounded the edges of my super bolt the other day. I also removed the foamie and did the same to the inside part of the sleeve. Cause I noticed how the small groves that help line up the foamie seemed to be like small points. Possibly hitting the shell and making it weak. I'm playing this saturday and will post how it turns out.

[~Backdraft~]

I have never tried rounding off by bolt but in looking at it i'd say its about a 3 or a 4. I've had this bolt for over a year and when i bought it, it was used so its an old "worn" bolt..but i rarely have problems with it.

Just last week I put 500 rounds through it (not much i know) and didn't break/chop one ball. I'm playin on the 28th and will probably put about 1000 rounds through so i'll let you know how that goes.

I hope this helps!

[toymyster]

Tom, I had a post about this!!! I did this with a long nose foamie bolt on my E-Mag and played 2 weeks ago!!! I don't have the "before" results on this!!! But here are the "after" results from what I can remember:

Temp= about 66*F
Weather conditions=N/A Indoor
Paint= old (about 3 months)Zap
Bounce= 0,2,3,0,0,0,4,0,0 (not necessarily in that order)
Other paint= Diablo Midnight
Bounce= one zero, the rest between 3 to 9
Edge rating prior to sanding= Not Available
Total paint shot= Zap=300
Diablo=1900
Total breaks= NONE
Better than usual= Absolutely

Notes: Our friend who was shooting the zap paint out of his Intimidator was having more breaks than I can remember (about 20 or 30 per hopper), He was not chopping, and the paint/barrel fit was good.

Comments: Sorry I could not get any more accurate than this. This trick does work however!!!

[spacemanspiff]

My best day ever. I played with my moded super bolt today and it rocked.

Temp- 75 and a little humid w/ some scattered showers.
Bounce test- wasn't able to do it
Edge rating- 7
Total paint shot- around 2000
Total breaks- 0
Better than normal- alot

Comments- The only thing that happened all day is I had 2 chops and thats cause I was trying something out. I'll explain in the post I'm going to do w/ pics so you can see better what I mean.

[SHAG]

hi,

Tom sometimes you scare me a little. Just Like Glenn, you both come out with these far out wacky ideas. For some stranger reason, they work! :) You are making Paintball more of a science with homework than fun and chance. Paintball is a game of chance. Yes the technology and the processes have become refined. Still the simple fact remains that chance is still there.

Chance is still there means one thing. The possibly of a window of opportunity. A window of getting your opponent out. Chance can work for you or against you. Ball breaks in the gun is part of that chance. In your gun it sucks. However in your opponents gun, you are able to take the opponuity and get him/her out.

However, as screwy as it sounds about the bolt to be rounded, it makes sense. I will probably do the bolt when I have time to sit down. However doing the paint test is going a little far. I usually break on when I hit something.

Later,
Alan

[soilent green]

my hard nose SS bolt is a 4-5 my superbolt is about a 6 I just got my superbolt back and only tried it out with about 100 rounds but so far no breaks my SS only broke like 1 in every 3000 rounds I'll let you know if I have probs with the superbolt

[ShooterJM]

Did this a long time ago.

Bolt used: Old school recessed foamie, stock

Sharpness: While I can't give exact specifics. My bolt was closer to a 7 or 8, before I sanded it down to about a 3.

Previous performance: Regardless of weather/bounce I averaged about 5-10 breaks every 200 rounds.

Post-mod performance: 0 breaks in 1000 rounds when used with foamie (new Proball), 1 break in 1000 rounds when used W/O foamie (3 month old JT)


I'll try to pick up another bolt and get new data as well.

Different bolt data:

Bolt: Old recessed Foamie, sans foamie

Pre mod edge: 8
Post mod edge: 2

Bounce test: Not sure how this is being reported. All 20 of 20 paintballs dropped on smooth concrete from 5 feet broke on the initial impact.

Pre performance: 25 breaks (excluding breech breaks) in 1000

Post performance: 0 breaks in 1000

Great upgrade!

[hitech]

I don?t know when I will be able to play next, but I thought I would post my previous experiences (you can always ignore them ). I almost never break paint down the barrel. Excluding the day we played in the rain I have had at most two barrel breaks that weren?t double feeds. My ?mag didn?t break paint when my friends Angel did (same paint). I have put about 3-4k rounds of the advantage shelled paint (PMI Premium and Marblizer) that averaged a 2 in the bounce test. My bolt is about a 2, maybe 3. Definitely less than a nickel. Hope this is useful.

[toymyster]

OK, we played yesterday, and even I could not believe the results!! (Rounded Long Nose Foamie Bolt)
Daytime temp = 75*F
Weather conditions = N/A (indoor)

Bounce Test all numbers= 3,2,3,9,9,6,7,5,9,2 (32deg. team colors)
2,4,3,6,6,3,2,5,1,6 (Big ball)

Total paint shot= 4000+
Total barrel breaks= ZERO
Better Than usual? You better believe it!!!

This was by far the best performance I've had out of a paintball marker yet!! I shot just over 2 cases of paint with no breaks, at the end of the day, my battle swab was the cleanest piece of gear on me!!!

[AGD]

Thanks guys keep the data coming, sounds like we are getting good results!

AGD