Brasseagle.com got hacked

[Webmaster]

Just to clearify...

When the automags.org went down - our HOST company told us it was probably hackers. That is when the announcment was made. It was only after I investigated and saw how throughly deleted the site was that I concluded it wasnt an outside person wreaking havoc, but an incompetent hosting company who delelted EVERYTHING - including symbolic links to the site.

BTW- I am still urked about that - everyone avoid using cihost.com

OBVIOUSLY - if someone changed items on the site and sent out mass false emails - that security was compromised - weither you call it a hacker/cracker/script kiddie or what ever that fact it is that someone got in - professional or goofball - and caused damage. I hope they catch him...

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[cphilip]

Originally posted by Webmaster:
wether you call it a hacker/cracker/script kiddie or what ever that fact it is that someone got in - professional or goofball - and caused damage. I hope they catch him...

I heard that!

[shartley]

[SuperG]

My last term paper was on hacking and cracking...10 whole pages.

The FBI term for hacking is "illegal intruding on others virtual space with intent to destroy, alter, or steal." Sounds kinda cheesey, but that was in TIME magazine. So, if you go by FBI lingo, the brass eagle website was HACKED by a HACKER.

[SuperG]

My last term paper was on hacking and cracking...10 whole pages.

The FBI term for hacking is "illegal intruding on others virtual space with intent to destroy, alter, or steal." Sounds kinda cheesey, but that was in TIME magazine. So, if you go by FBI lingo, the brass eagle website was HACKED by a HACKER.

[Webmaster]

Shartley - it doesnt matter if we recognize them or not. Teenagers have been damaging property from the beginning of time. It used to be graffti, mailboxes, tombstons, and toilet paper in trees. Kids get kicks out of flexing thier freedom and wreaking some havoc. So it will be on the web. Hell - I know some script kiddies who know they are script kiddies - but they just do it for fun.

They use the same excuse of any kid - why did you steal the car? Well, they left it unlocked with the keys easy to find - they deserved it. Why did you hack the site? They were using Win NT with no security updates, they deserved it.

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[Restola]

what makes me mad is when someone fights tooth and nail to defend some special definition and in doing so convienently makes it look like they know everything. yes everyone knows what a script kiddie is, and everyone is sick of everyone thinking they are hackers. but whose going to post "someone walked through an open port on be's site today". its not something 99% of internet moms and kids can do and it looks hard, so its hacking.

so leave the kid alone shartley

[shartley]

Good points there SuperG. And we all KNOW how reliable the FBI has become over the last 20 years.

I wouldn't advise looking to the FBI for much now days. That definition is only there to allow them to aggressively pursue many types of things under one legal definition. This is often the case with Law Enforcement, it is usually a "what is the easiest way we can word things so we can use them to our best advantage" thing. And THAT I can tell you is a FACT will all certainty.

Look to Australia and their "definitions" and "classifications" for Paintball Markers. This is also a good example of not using the definitions that the Government uses.

Again, I digress back to the Paintball Industry...... if the news and Law Enforcement started calling paintballs "bullets", would you start calling them that? Technically that IS what they ARE.. but we all know different.

Same thing in this case.

And you want to know what the FBI is going to do about this? What is between my brackets? { } You got it.. NOTHING.

The actual damage caused is not great enough, and the Paintball Industry is not "front news" enough. They will make a token effort (if that) and then suggest taking this to Civil Court.

And how do I know this? I have seen them do the EXACT same thing with more serious cases.

And THAT is the cold hard truth about this. We can argue all we want about WHAT we should call what happened, but in the end, it is better to just do damage control and move on. After all, it is the 3 Ring Circus that follows these "attacks", that the kiddies are really after, not so much the actual event.

Webby: I agree.

Restola:
you said:

what makes me mad is when someone fights tooth and nail to defend some special definition and in doing so convienently makes it look like they know everything.

I did not flame anyone, and before you even attempt to flame me, I think you should rethink it. This is NOT a road you want to go down. When I am right, I am right, and when I am WRONG, I admit it. If you want to insinuate that I don't know what I am talking about, send me an e-mail and I will schedule an appointment to talk to you personally about the matter.

You even said the SAME thing I said, but you put this twist to it:

yes everyone knows what a script kiddie is, and everyone is sick of everyone thinking they are hackers.

[Puckz]

Honestly your entire arguement isn't worth our time.

In fact If I read this at home instead of at work where it would have been my time wasted, I'd have been pissed.

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[Webmaster]

You know - while I appriciate you championing the english language... "hacker" is a common, generic term. If this was in an industry magazine, I could see your dismay at its use. But really, its a bulletin board. Language is VERY casual and generic terms are abound. Heck - half of the means of communication here doesnt even involve words (IIRC, LOL, ROFLMAO, BRB, BBIAB, ) etc, etc. While I appriciate there IS a difference - its not worth the fuss to point it out in such a casual setting...

I mean - I constantly use "gun" here - but ALWAYS use "marker" in my writing for APG.

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[woody 2]

Hey shartley, uhhhh... your a major ******* . and you need to seriously lighten up. Sorry if he didn't the correct term of the vandalizers actions. Dude chill the hell out you are one weird *** mofo... get a life

[shartley]

I agree with BOTH of you.

But I think you are all missing the point that I made ONE post with simple language and it was not in agitation or aggression.

From THAT post, it went crazy. And when all was said and done, MOST agreed that the terms used were a bit off.

Now I am the "bad guy" for making this thing go like it did? I am the one to be upset at for sticking to my guns? I wasted all your time and it was in fact not WORTH your time?

So misinformation IS worth your time? And misuse of terms IS worth your time? Or is it the fact that someone was not bowing to public ignorance for the sake of not upsetting someone, or keeping a thread short?

And if you were to get upset at reading this at home, you should be upset at YOURSELF, I, and no one else forced you to read it.

Both my wife and I have gone over some of your (posters in general) comments and it baffles us as to what was so darn difficult in saying.. "Yes, the terms used were wrong." and leaving it at that. But I guess it it better to say I am making a big deal out of things... when the last time I looked, I was FAR from being the only one posting in this thread.

(Oh, and now we have people calling me names. For sticking to my guns.. hmmm I am an ******* ? I think some moderators need to get to work. And people need to remember my FIRST post in this thread...

Sorry, that is not being hacked. Exploiting a hole in security or walking in through an open port is not "Hacking".
Hackers do not attack company's Web Sites. They get into a mainframe and actual company system and do things (not going to get into it).

We have already been through this type of thing here on AO. Any "script kiddy" can get into the average Web Server and do what you stated with little effort. But they are NOT "Hackers".

Could you please not feed the flames of ignorance (no pun intended)? This is not a FLAME, just pointing out facts.

And this being the case, can you delete this thread? If there was a REAL security issue, posting it on an open forum would not be the best thing to do anyway. E-mailing Tom directly (or his staff) or calling them would be best.

Thanks.

[woody 2]

i was just tryin to make you feel bad, the way you did to all those othe rpeople you tried to make seem like they were stupid idiots... and oh yeah now your "tattling" on me to the moderators lol... Chill!

[rt_81]

Originally posted by cphilip:
Now let's get back to these girls kissing each other...

HEAR HEAR!!!!!!!!!!

let it go guys, really.

RT

[dansim]

well mister smarty pants from england says it was a hacker so i belive him