Accuracy by volume?????

[Stewylouie]

Phantom, I agree with you that nothing gives me more satisfaction than one shot one kill. Unfortunately, that philosophy doesn't apply well to today's faster paced game.

Sure, back in high school when I started playing (circa 1990) the games were longer, were solely in the woods and the name of the game was to sneak around and wait for your shot. And to be sure, it was fun as hell.

Today however, for the most part, the games go alot faster and are out of the woods.

The sneaking around one shot one kill philosphy doesn't work on a speedball course (which I love), unless of course you got someone in the back laying enough cover fire to keep your opponents down while you can advance.

If you play mainly rec games, in the woods and you count success by number of kills, then a pump gun can be just as sucessful as a semi. However, the ability to lay down cover fire and to be honest, the pure intimidation factor of laying down a long quick series of shots makes a semi a much more versatile marker.

That is not to say I'm an advocate of spray and pray. There are times when one needs to lay down a ton of paint and times when you need to aim and work on a single shot. A good player knows which situation he is in.

[slayer]

Originally posted by AngelBoy
What do you not like more when you pop out of a bunker:

1. Seeing one paintball go by your head.

2. Seeing 18 paintballs go by your head.

I don't much care about either, I am worried about the one paintball that hits my mask .

Although, I totally agree about chopping a runner down. If you can sweet spot the runner, and put down enough paint, they can't run through it.

[einhander619]

It really is what position you play, whether or not ROF is a big deal. When I play back, I might need to keep 3 guys bunkered simultaneously, and my RT shines! Ripping 13 shot strings feels great, too! However, while they're all bunkered, my friend with a phantom can sneak up and do the one shot kill thing! It's all relative.

[Phantom_Allstar]

Originally posted by RT pRo AuToMaG
if you are cheap, or if you can't afford it, take your time and get the perfect shot. It always seems that people with the less expensive guns are complaining about the ROF, spray and pray, electro markers, ect. if you can't keep up, go back to the woods.

I am not cheap, and I am not complaining , I just don`t understand, why would you want to have less skill?

in reply to "Stewylouie" I do not play woods, I am not the sneak around guy, I am the up front left tape guy that people think "o he`s just a pump" then they turn and I`m bunkering them or they let one of there 6 140 round guppies hange out and I shoot it.
but you did make valid pionts about cover fire and the versatality of a semi.

Originally posted by AngelBoy
What do you not like more when you pop out of a bunker:

1. Seeing one paintball go by your head.

2. Seeing 18 paintballs go by your head.

I `m not afriad, like slayer said "I don't much care about either, I am worried about the one paintball that hits my mask"
well thats the guy with the pump that just put one shot on your mask.

thank you for your input

kris

[HoppysMag]

dude u have your way w have ours..... you dont get the thrill of lighting someone up on a run by bunker manuver, hiting them 8 times for they know what happened, with a pump.....( unless youv been practicing pumping at home...that was a attempt at a sick joke )

leave our way of playing alone and we will leave your way alone....

and skill has nothing to do with how much paint you shoot.

[Phantom_Allstar]

Originally posted by HoppysMag
dude u have your way w have ours.....
leave our way of playing alone and we will leave your way alone....

and skill has nothing to do with how much paint you shoot.

I am not talkin sh*t about the spray and pray method of geting people out.
I am just trying to understand.


and skill has everything to do with it.

[HoppysMag]

skill has nothing to do with BPS.

$150 for a used HPA tank?
thats crazy. now I`m not saying everyone should go out and buy pumps, but what hapined?

[JRSJKD]

rof and skill........

Your really comparing apples and oranges here. Stock games and tourney style/speedball/hyperball/whatever are two completely different animals. To say that it takes more skill to play with a pump is like saying it takes more skill to eat an apple. It doesn't take more skill, just a different approach. Try eating the orange, and see if your opinion doesn't change

[BTAutoMag]

i can lay down enough cover fire to give enough time for even the slowest 400lb man to walk to the next bunker but when i want to eliminate someone all i need is 2 shots.

[RT pRo AuToMaG]

Originally posted by Phantom_Allstar

I am not cheap, and I am not complaining , I just don`t understand, why would you want to have less skill?

Are you implying that everyone that playes with accuracy by volume has less skill then you? Do you see Cris Lasoya(sp?) with a stock/pump class gun? the answer is no. so are you saying you are better then all of the top pro teams because you can get some n00bs out during a walk-on game? evoloution is nessicary, or thus be eliminated. it's not our problem/concern that you can't afford a marker that'll shoot 13bps. spray and pray works for me, and the day it fails, that'll be the day i stop. I know ppl like you. always the people that think they're better then everyone. walk out on the field like they own the place, trash talking to the people with angles and other high priced, high ROF markers, saying you can smoke them. Well, it's not the 80's anymore and it's not the survival game anymore. it's the sport of paintball. It doesn't matter if you win by 1 case or 1rd, winning is winning.

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

It doesn't matter if you win by 1 case or 1rd, winning is winning.

And it's people like you that give paintball a bad name. First of all he never said he was better than every other player with a semi. He sipmly stated the truth, it takes more skill to shoot someone with a pump, when he has an angel(notice not angle) unloading a hopper in 10 secconds. If you try and say otherwise, you are a fool.

Amongst other things, he's not talking trash or saying any way of playing is better than another. He simply asked why people play the way they do. Is it really that big of a deal? I don't understand why people play for 5 hours, get one game in because they sit on 2 opposite sides of some woods and wait for the other team to come to them. Am i to be flamed because that's the way you play and it's not in conjuntion with your your game style?

it's not our problem/concern that you can't afford a marker that'll shoot 13bps

That was just a pitiful bash. Those 2 guns he's got posted must have at least cost $500 dollars. Not to mention i believe he's got more so he probably has some money to spend on this sport as most of us do. While i read your posts, i even wonder if your not some 15 year old kid that has his parents buy his paint and such. Oh well, i guess the world may never know.

[Phantom_Allstar]

Originally posted by RT pRo AuToMaG


it's not our problem/concern that you can't afford a marker that'll shoot 13bps. I know ppl like you. always the people that think they're better then everyone. walk out on the field like they own the place, trash talking to the people with angles and other high priced, high ROF markers, saying you can smoke them. Well, it's not the 80's anymore and it's not the survival game anymore.

Well I am not some poor guy that crawled out of the woods yesterday and got scared about 18bps, and is to poor to get a new gun so I whine about everything costing two much. Here is a link so you can see the next gun I am going to buy

https://www.dyeprecision.com/carter_order.html

Originally posted by JRSJKD
Your really comparing apples and oranges here. Stock games and tourney style/speedball/hyperball/whatever are two completely different animals. To say that it takes more skill to play with a pump is like saying it takes more skill to eat an apple. It doesn't take more skill, just a different approach. Try eating the orange, and see if your opinion doesn't change

Well I don`t play stock class games any more becuse the only place that I could do that was in hawaii and now i live in FL, so I play speed/hyperball and I love it.
Also you think I should try eating an orange well I have owned a spyder (put about $300 into it) a spyder TL (put about $100 into it) a mini mag (put about $400 into it) a mini cocker (put about $300 into it) bought a cocker body had it custom milled then put it together from the ground up , put maby $1100 into it, then I bought a VSC Phantom then another VSC Phantom next on the list is a Carter then an extream E mag when they are available in the US.

And to finish this post I would like to say thank you to all the people that gave me valid imput.
I will not be looking at this thread any more becuse people just want to slam/bash pump play becuse they feel that I am an oldtimer(i just turned 23 today) that is scared or the high bps, and likes to talk sh*t about everyone on the field(to me this game is all about fun if I`m not having fun then there is not piont in playing...i love paintball and I had a great time yesterday playing with the Jax warriors)


kris

[AllAmericanMag]

Yeah, Thats what my shocker can do. I can approve of the accuracy by volume. Thats how I play...Some people don't like the fact I play like that, hey if they don't like it, I got some anal lint.

Shockers are the definition of "Accuracy by Volume"

[mac2k4]

play in a NPPL event under novi, am, or pro, w/ your pump, and you'll find out why, its a whole different game...

[HoppysMag]

Phantom_Allstar we arnt bashing pumps.... i love my pump and pump games... but to me and others it seems like your saying we dont have skill becuase we like to use more paint.....i personaly take that as an insult.