AGD and the Paintball market

**AGD** · 05-01-2002, 11:51 PM

Joel,

It is a legitimate post and you shouldn't be riddiculed for making it.

The fact remains that without pro tourny support and splashy marketing campains we ARE still in business. Against a tide of "mags suck" comments, electro markers and the worst recession in 10 years WE ARE STILL HERE. After spending money developing (and I mean developing) the worlds most accurate millitary paintball, the worlds only military marker, the Warp Feed, the Emag, the 4500 Flatline, the Intelliframe and the biggest Owners Group on the net, WE ARE STILL IN BUSINESS!

Comments like you heard should be proof positive that paintball is perception driven. We don't rely on retailers to fix our products, we do it for you. We don't rely on sponsoring big teams to convince you our stuff works we count on your buddy with a mag playing next to you. We don't have sparkly guns in magazine adds we have the muddy tube that still shoots great after 10 years.

We don't do business like the rest of the paintball industry so it's no surprise they don't know what's going on with us. Even if we never sold another gun to paintball players again we could survive purely off the parts sales.
Contrary to most of paintball, there is still something to be said for the combination of good service and extra tough products.

Every movement that becomes a phenomenon starts somewhere. For us that movement is starting here on Automags.org. Here where the smartest, most enthusiastic customers any manufacturer could ever ask for, have me completely convinced that if I listen to them I will never ever make a mistake in the paintball industry.

AGD

ps Military sales counted for 2% of our business last year.

**Butterfingers** · 05-02-2002, 01:14 AM

Tom you will be surprised at how many people follow the "tourney players use it so it's the best" logic.

Tom you have an awesome product. I truely belive in my own experience your original e-mag although not pretty is the best performing gun out there by 10 orders of magnitude.

When we set out to produce the fastest coolest gun out there which gun did we choose to modify?

Why?

Because there is no gun out there that matches the speed and reliability of your gun. And thats the truth. If you try to make an angel cycle at 20 bps I can tell you even with a warpfeed attached to an RC battery pack you get a fancy british blender.

What else? Im not afraid of putting the gun down and scratching my pretty anno with the e-mag.

Now Don and I have been working hard to get our e-magnum project noticed. Hence we do demos at local fields you know "marketing"

What happened? Almost every person who saw your product (albeit "tweaked") thier jaws dropped to the floor. Nobody and I mean NOBODY thought it was capable of that level of performance.

At the firing range, the competition, with timmies and angels ect tried to replicate but time and time again the e-mag performed two times better and two times faster.

So I propose this plan to you. You know the warp feed challange?

Well have the E-mag challange. Challange people to create a faster feeding gun. I can tell you they will have alot of work to do and alot of catch up to play.

What good is holding the title of the fastest gun in the west when nobody knows about it?

This goes back to the issue of dealer confidence... we are confident but only by trial and error, experience and the brand loyalty I have for AGD. How many others are confident?

**MagDog68** · 05-02-2002, 07:41 AM

Originally posted by AGD

Comments like you heard should be proof positive that paintball is perception driven.

Hey wait, I said that yesterday! Are you plagiarizing my posts Tom?

We don't rely on sponsoring big teams to convince you our stuff works we count on your buddy with a mag playing next to you. We don't have sparkly guns in magazine adds we have the muddy tube that still shoots great after 10 years.

And that is exactly what you get...people who rave that their Mags will stand the tests of time. You could build a house using the Mag as the hammer and still play on weekends in-between. They are indestructable!

~Fred

**Bonx0007** · 05-02-2002, 10:35 AM

I am interested in the emagnum.... When you guys finish up the phase III I would like to see and AD or something. THis would be like the "warped sportz" version actually the "mofified Sportz" version. Every High end marker has its variants and what you are doing sounds amazing. I have been secretly following your projects and I am lying in wait to buy these upgrades. Thanks for making these thing possible for emag owner of which I plan on joining on the 10th of May.Woot!!!

**Butterfingers** · 05-02-2002, 07:06 PM

The FA vid should be out in 3 weeks time. My digi vid cam is undergoing repair. This is probably when we will reveal phase 2.

To tell you the truth its really easy to modify AGD guns. The valve is already near perfect we do almost nothing to it.

All thats left is fancy milling, anno, and lightening.

**AGDRules** · 05-02-2002, 08:01 PM

hey

Actually, Honestly I like going to the field with the only mag there, I mean some of the cocker guys on my team always have to say o yay a mag or god why did u get that, but when it comes time to play you can tell whos gonna be ripping and whos gonna be sitting in the side lines with a set of allan keys and tools swearing at there markers.

You can tell whos using a mag, because they have the money to buy, paint, have time to talk, and spend there money on other things.. you can tell who owns other guns cause they comes to the field with the "We are gonna rule attitude" and end up sitting the rest of the day out.

I really like AGD and as far as im concerned they are the best company in the history of paintball.

**SqueegeeKid** · 05-03-2002, 01:06 AM

I would like to see Mag's getting more tourney use or general attention but as long as they're in business and making money i'm perfectly happy.

If you ever do go outta business (unlikely) at least wait till i get the chance to buy an eMag.

AGD rules.

**Vegeta** · 05-03-2002, 04:21 PM

Another good Q is... think about how AGD makes their guns... they have a total staff of about 13 people in the factory I think (not counting AGD-E). How many do otehr companies have? And think about this... AGD gets alot of its parts that go ijnto it's guns from OTHER companies. Like the warp feed adapters.. and i guarentee AGD doesn't make the EMag boards... and what about hte mainbodies.. do you think they produce those or do u think they have another company do it for them.. same with the valves... I just don't see how 13 poeple could do all that... So is AGD saving lots of money by having other companies produce parts?? Maybe thats another reason why the mag is getting cheaper. eh.

Oh, and I don't think alot of research was put into making the biggest and best owners groups on the web.. that was a prodigy.. it just.. happened. lol.

We don't have sparkly guns in magazine adds we have the muddy tube that still shoots great after 10 years.

Thats great. going in my sig.

**toymyster** · 05-03-2002, 04:54 PM

Remeber, some people assume best selling product is the best, others get what they think is best regardless of sales figures!! Which one are you going to be????
Think about it, is a Dodge Caravan a better car than a Porsche 911??? It outsells the 911 by 100:1 margin!!!

**ZyperioN** · 06-12-2002, 04:43 PM

Hey what about this?

This is puzzling me, look around Paintball stores online and take a look at the Matrix electros, they claim to be on more than one site the fastest firing gun on the market, boasting 20 shots per second. But the emag is capable of 26+ so once again we have the fasest gun out there but we dont use that fact to advertise. Other companies are wrongly claiming the title just because we dont enforce our ownership of it. The RT valve is the fastest recharging system ever made, now go out and spread the word.

Oh, yeah and the Matrix only gets around 400 shots off a 68/3000 so lets not get dissed by a gas hog.

**magman007** · 06-12-2002, 05:15 PM

correct me if im wrong, but the e-mag is olny capable of 20 bps, i thinki read it some wherere that the solenild plunger slows it down. hmmm if im wrong please tell me

**MrMag** · 06-12-2002, 05:25 PM

i totally agree with everything you said tom, but i think that it would really help you, if you were to sponser a "big" team. i know it would be hard to find a good team that isnt already sponsered, and it would be quite expensive, but it would really get more emags in tourneys today. i was watching some tourney video today at warpig, and was amazed that i only saw one emag and the only mag. i believe that if this happens, it will get rid of all the rumors, more people would buy mags, and everything would turn out for the best (hopefully).

**Cypres0099** · 06-12-2002, 07:13 PM

Magman - I don't think that the plunger slows it down much. I believe that Tom challenged the people at Modified paintball to hold a constant stream of 22 bps using the emagnum board, a 12v warp, and.... a halo b? Anyway I don't think the problem is the gun but feeding the paint.

**riooso** · 06-12-2002, 11:14 PM

When playing in the woods or speedball there is nothing more comforting than hearing my brother "leaning" on his Mag, pure music. By the way, with a stock cutdown body and an aftermarket power feed I have not chopped a ball in well over 20 cases. My Mag has never broken down when I needed it and I have had it 2 years. I own a Cocker also and you can not say that about a Cocker.

R