I know you guys might not like this

[Army]

Dansim; granted it is not a Z-grip in design. However, John Rice says that the grip angle will minimize forearm fatigue, and raise your ROF, because of the "...more natural way of holding the gun. .45 frames are copies of real guns that are meant to be held at arms length, paintball players hold their guns close up. This grip accomodates the way we shoot paintball guns."

Can you say...same thing Tom Kaye said 5 years ago? So, it may not be mechanically the same, but the concept was already designed, built, and marketed long ago!


(BTW, check out PIG-TV for the John Rice interview at Mardi Gras)

[Jack_Dubious]

Buy both of them and see what you like better. Then take the one you dont like and give it to me. :)


JDub

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by dansim
thats not a zgrip rip off, its straight down and there are many things you dont know about the ir3 that will blow away the emagnum

I can tell you its definately NOT going to be in the ROF department. :)

We scared ourselves with the e-magnum.

[nastymag]

i love angels ( i got one )

but considering WDPs anodizing record i would not get one unless you are super carful with your guns.

i mean on my angel there where new scratches on the first day i used it . Granted i am rough on guns.
its just that WDp makes a real thin ano.

i also hear the Extreem mag will be alot lighter

[Ityl]

If the EMag isn't working correctly it will chop. If the Angel isn't working correctly it will chop.

Both are very fast. Both triggers are very different. Both valves are very different. EMag is capable of being more consistent in higher rates of fire.

The EMag is heavier, if that really matters.

Emag is tighter, especially with a warp.

AGD hands down has the best service, but there's more people around that work on Angels.

AGD has a better reputation for long lasting equipment.

Angels has more options, more accessories, and a reputation of the top gun right now.

You can't compare a gun that isn't out yet to a gun that is. So until the extreme comes out it's reg EMag vs angel.

EMag is also cheaper at the moment, many places have them for under $900 when the IR3 is well over $1000.

I watched a practice and by far the fastest shooting gun was the EMag with ZERO chops and breaks. Other times I have seen the fastest shooting gun be the Angel with ZERO chops or breaks. I've seen both guns with paint oozing out. Try em out, and choose which you like better.

[billmi]

Originally posted by dansim
ir3
pros

26 modes of fire

All IR3s sold in the US have one mode of fire available - semi-auto.

See you on the field,
-Bill Mills

[billmi]

Originally posted by Army

Can you say...same thing Tom Kaye said 5 years ago? So, it may not be mechanically the same, but the concept was already designed, built, and marketed long ago!

My impressions of the IR3's grip so far, is that with the curved lower back, and rear trigger pivot point, you can hold and use it like a properly posed Z-Grip giving that feel. However, it has the distinct advantage over the Z grip, in that holding it higher up on the grip, it can also be comfortably be used to shoot from the hip or on the run. To me, it feels like a comprimise between the Z and a traditional grip that gives the best of both.

See you on the field,
-Bill Mills

[PsychoMag]

ya beat me to it bill.

26 modes, ummmm 1.

anyways, my emag doesnt "chop" you cant chop an electronic marker since there is no chance of premature release of the bolt. So neither gun chops, if you are shooting stale paint, you will break paint in the barrel whether it is an Emag, or an Angel. Emags are sweet, and so are Angels, try each one to fit your style of play.

BTW: the BE frame is a rip of the Zgrip, as well as many things in the paintball community.

[Trinot]

Didnt you noticed you posted in the "Automag owners forums" your going to get a biased opinion, get which ever gun feels the best to you, I have never liked mags that much, I would get the angel because its light,compact,fast and well its an angel.

[Spaceman613]

email me sometime. Youve seemed to change your mind about new guns VERY often....

Since we live close, we can chat, and might be able to shoot some of the good choices. And if not shoot them, get the real deal on them.


And get your guys together, and lets play some ball...

[Mango]

Go out, shoot them both. Play a few games with them both, THEN MAKE A DECISION. I started out with a warped emag but it wasent for me. Now I have an IR3 and would never get rid of it. I could sit here and tell you lots of reasons why I personally love MY IR3. But what good is that going to do you?

Not flameing or anything, but you should really make that decision on your own. They are both amazing markers for various reasons.

[Snowpunk1986]

Here's the thing

I am not changing my mind I just havent decided yet I want to get the facts on all these various guns so I know everything about them. Then shoot them. Combine the two and make my decison. Though I will admit the thought of purchasing a new gun gets me hyped up I cant wait. Mainly because I have a Tippmann right now and I am so sick of the stupid POS I have had to fix it the past 4 times I went to the field.
Spaceman-Do you have an AIM screen name or phone number or something so I could talk to you a little faster and better than postings. Thanks for your help everyone c-ya.

[Spaceman613]

its all in my profile.

whats wrong with the tippy? its should never break down, they are tanks