will this sport ever not suck?

[magc68]

can we ever play tournament paintball and have fun?

can we ever have professional refs?

we went to a 10 man tournament today. 11 really good teams showed up at GRC paintball. the refs were team diluted. most of these guys we know and have played before. we scrimmaged them 2 weeks ago and we r the new 10 man team on the block and when they didnt wipe through us they said in 2 weeks u will be f'ed. well it was true. we came today with a chance to win the event and we came out 5th. how may u ask?

asking for a paintcheck is a 1 for 1 penelty for playing on with a hit.

knealing in a paintball is equivelent to playin on and 1 for 1.

a 1 for 1 is u r out and then the person on your team in the best postion is taken out as well. no matter where he is in relationship to u. ex. a back player is called out and they take your furtherst front player.

having 8 refs on your side of the field and only 3 on the other side.

refs letting time go beyone the 15 min limit if we r in a tough spot.

refs coaching the other team

refs wiping the other team

a ref seeing u get hit in the pack but not calling u out for it for 30 seconds then calling u out and giving u a 1 for 1 for playing on

being over shot by one person in a bunkering move (13 shots) is not seen as overshooting

if u shoot a ref because he walks into your stream of paint is considered harassing the refs and u r pulled.


is this what i have come to expect from paintball. the same sort of things occured back in september during a 7 man with a diffrent reffing crew. the highlight of that event was that u could hang the flag while leaving your gun behind and still get the flag hang and not being eliminated. and a protest to this gave us a 50 pt penelty.

guess what?
we r not going back to GRC paintball ever again.
if any of u in the area were thinking of it go right ahead and share your stories with me...

grc is the only place aroudn here that has big tournaments. if we wanna play big tournaments we have to go to wpf or nppl to play.

if this is what i will expirence at every large tournament y would do i even play?

$10,000 is on the line to win and we get raped by the reffs and GRC takes $1500 of our money and thinks nothing of it.

[Dubstar112]

Wow, that sucks. I'd like to get into big tournaments, but from what your saying, seems like a waste of time and money. Where is GRC at?.. South of Syracuse? Why doesnt Fury take big tournaments...? They have a nice field from what I saw

[CRiZO]

well, in response to your post:

sucks for you.

I am a blunt person.

[magc68]

im just venting and giving a warning to anyone who wants to play there is all...

[openboater]

On a simular note, My son and I went to Skirmish for this 'Big 7 man Tourney " yesterday. We went just to watch. We didn't know a single team or player, so we had no bias.

Well, I watched a ref in the hyperball field giving direction and even pointing so a player would know where his compitition was.

Many a game went on where the ref's wouldn't even venture on to the field.

After seeing all these full page add in PB2X Magazine, we thought this was to be a big event. I'll just be kind and say we should have saved the gas money. I was very disappointed. No netting, No compressor, No vendors, No loudspeaker system.........

[i-luv-my-rt]

Hey,

I actually practiced with Diluted twice, like i was playing with them not against them. They can be the coolest people until you go against them or you get on there bad side. They wont say anything off the field but once you get on they will rape you and make you pay. They are amazing players but some arent the coolest people.

I have had good and bad experiences at GRC. I watched Magc68's team go to that 7-man with a good chance to win and they got screwed by refs. Ref's are the main problem there everything else is well run.

So really i could go either way with your post. I can agree in many ways and disagree in like 1 way. If that place had certified and non-bias refs it would be the best place and most competitive on the east coast. It really sux to here that but i'll vouch for you guys that it wasnt your fault. (RECURSION IS GOOD!!!!)

[LanceDDmurdock]

wow...

It seems Recursion can't catch a break when it comes to playing at GRC, the 7-man went sour for them. and it so seems the 10-man did as well. Yet, the problems always seem to revolve around bad ref'n. Now, as i have reffed some tourney's i can understand that every now and then, some calls are hard to make / the wrong call. And every 1 does make mistakes at one time or another.
However... :

1.) Not every bad situation or argument calls for a 1 for 1 pull.
2.) Ref's should be evenly dispersed among the entire field.
3.) All Personal feelings toward ANY team should be left at the door.
4.) Professionalism HAS to be inforced. (no #3, or complaining, that means ref's or players...but give fair warning don't just pull cause a person argue's a easily mistaken call.)
5.) Unless it is a Team held event fields should have their own ref crew workin the matches. not random teams. (to avoid #3)

As a recursion team member, i see the anger. With $150 entry on the line...if u feel that u were cheated outta that money by forces outta your control (ref's), and not because your team just didn't "click" that day, your gunna be upset. Each team should decide their own fate on the field...not the ref's. But hey, to me it's water under the bridge. The damage has been done, it's time to move on. Our experiences at GRC have been completly horrible. and with a 2 hour drive at stake, it's just not worth the trip to wade thru this type of BS. I play paintball for the love of the sport, and that uncontrolable adreneline rush. not to be dicked around by power trippin ref's. Under diffrent circumstances i have not a doubt in my mind that my team would have not won, if not finished in the top 3 in this tourney.
But again...what's done is done. I am a very forgiving person, and am willing to let things go. So congrats to Team Minor Threat on the win. And i will be at Fury this sunday to have some fun. (to all who know wtf i am talking about )
-Peace.

[raehl]

Play some college ball...

No BS. Promise.

Also usually no prizes, but we keep the events inexpensive. Whereabouts are you guys located?

- Chris

[kosmo]

raehl, they're in Syracuse. NY is a bit far of a drive to Cheeseville...

[Ityl]

This is exactly why I sold my setup, it wasn't fun playing anymore. I loved playing tourney ball. The only reason refs needed to be on the field for me was to check me if I couldn't see a hit. I never played on with being hit. I alway called myself out if I was hit, even if a ref didn't see it. Too bad barely anyone else does this.

Especialy at GRC, they have the worst refs, unless they are on your side. The worst part about it, Rob doesn't really seem to care. So instead of taking it as part of the game, I decided I'd spend my money on things that I actually like doing. I have more fun just fooling around in my backyard speedball field playing with a talon, and it's a lot cheaper.

[xmetal2001]

Sport doesn't suck, people who are running it do.

[RT_Luver]

i believe that this sport already not sucks. sure, there's the occasionnal screw-ups, people that piss you off, and etc... but if you tune them out in your mind, this sport doesn't suk at all, IMO

[FrAuStY]

I don't want to offend anyone.. but most of the places I play, are a bunch of rich kids who have their parents buy them everything. Example.. St Augustine, Fl, Rapid Fire, a 10 year old with an Angel + 88/4500 Angel Air. All he does is strokes the trigger. Doesn't aim.. doesn't snap shoot, doesn't call himself out either.

I guess since I have purchased every gun I own with my own money it makes me take it more seriously and be more honest. Most of todays younger crowd (20 and below I don't know how old the refs were) are all about the gimme gimme gimme's, not the honest way in and out of a situation. Just like the refs at that tourney.. they were holding a childish grudge against you, and caused you to be removed from the tourney. Unfortunately the best thing to do would be go somewhere else. Or don't tourney play. I personally like going to places incognito (Camo pants and solid shirt) and just light people up. Its kind of a stress reliever. No worries about making your team lose, or not winning that 02 cocker etc (cockers..lol they gotta give these thigs away!)
Anyway... I love paintball.. everything about it, goods and bads. I think tourney play is great for those who want to win or lose. I'm in it to win everytime but if my team loses.. I'm ok with that as long as I eliminated one person from the opposing team. Thats just my .02 on the sub.

[liigod]

this is the weak link in the sport, really makes you wana quit. this is also why is support all the rednecks that play it thinking their in a war. One day a wiper is guna get beaten or killed for wiping. Actually, i think there would be MANNY less wipers if someone was made an example of.

[Scootyd]

These factors are the reason I stay in rec play. Like many people I have been invited to join a couple of small teams that are just starting out. Most of the players I observe only last in the sport for about 2 years after tournament experience.

In this forum someone polled for what the favorite type of play was and rec was the resounding winner. This industry and sport really are based on the rec player that goes out and has a good time with his buddies. Tournaments are mostly an advertising oportunity and unfortunatley poor organizations and a handfull of ill tempered players are taking away a method of spreading the word.

I ref at a local field on weekends and to see the new players come in, play hard and get hooked is a great thing to see. They rarely complain about wipers or bad reffing or throw their markers and curse.

Overall I say that if tournaments are for you, good luck and I wish you well. The sport could use 50 teams like the ironmen. Just keep in mind that it is a sport and make sure not to get trapped and cease enjoying it as such.

I say this from past experience. After 8 years of racing pro motocross I found it was a job. Lap after lap of fighting the stopwatch. I still go to the track and play but I stop as soon as I catch myself pushing.

I enjoy playing paintball and introducing new players to the sport. The overall growth of the sport will hopefully reduce the tourny problems in the future and lower everybodys costs for playing. Keep your head up and remember we Play in the woods and we Play in the tournys.