So with the lvl 10 mod the paintball can be pinched halfway in the barrel and halfway in the feed tube and not break? Or does the mod make it so the bolt doesnt brake brittle paintballs upon impact?
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Thats why I speculated the WHOLE front half of the WHOLE valve krafty. Not just the welded on PT. See? re read it...It makes sence when you are trying to include the hold down to $100 part. Bolt alone can be done but the tip we got is they are "trying' to hold it down so its affordable. So that indicates another major part is involved see? DO I guessed the whole entire front assembly including the welded on PT. Get it? You might be right but I am going on the cost concern they have expressed and the "you can do it with common tools" part. togehter that adds up to the whole front if you wish to change the configuration of the PT. See my logic so far? Just a guess...Originally posted by krafty
Actually, the powertube is not a user-servicable part (it's welded on every mag above level 6.5) so I doubt that a full replacement is part of it.
I'm wondering if 'tuneable' means something similar to changing spacers.Comment
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After playing with this gun Sunday at practice, it will be too long before it's installed in ALL of my mags. Thats an understatement. NICE NICE NICE work Tom!Comment
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ahhhh you used it. Tell more!!!!Comment
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yea its code named the swiss army project... the new lvl 10 will come with can opener, magnifing lense, knife, spoon, corkscrew...Originally posted by AcemanPB
it does more?!?
but seriously im shocked too.
i gotta get me one of these
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Originally posted by cphilip
Pure speculation on my part now...
Lvl 10 is a new bolt and complete Power tube assembly (whole front SS piece). So the entire front part of the metal of the valve will need to be replaced (hence the cost of almost $100 and that would be artificialy cheap realy) abut still using your internals to place back into it. I make no guess as to the PT tip, Spring and Bumper as well as PT spacer system being the same or changing. My guess is the same except for maybe the PT tip? I dunno. I am trying to predict from little tid bits I hear. Purely speculation remember...
Uh oh... Looks like butters is gonna have to whoop out the blowtorch to break the sealant in the PT threads. Yep the whole PT unscrewed itself a while back from the valve a while back. WHY WHY did I have to use red loctite during reassembly! This is gonna take alot of elbow grease and many restless nights.
Last time I tried to break red loctite I ended up melting all the internals off my PMI pure energy reg. I heated it slowly with a heat gun, no luck, then I whooped out the blowtorch, and patiently heated the thread area with that. No luck.
I started getting impatient...
I heated the thing till it was glowing and the stupid loctite still didnt break.
Then the thing went into the vice with a pair of 1.5 foot long vice grips I proceeded to lean my entire 180lb mass into the wrench until the teeth stripped the brass right off the surface of the reg cap.
Then I got really pissed and proceeded to cut the reg open with a hacksaw and pipe cutters. Wasn't fast enough...
Stupid PMI reg... If anybody wants to know how the internals of a PMI reg work ask me I finally got it open with an angle grinder.
...And I think everything is where it should be :)Did you hear about the new european weapons contracts? France is going to make the wooden sticks Spain making the little white flags
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The PT is threaded on yes the whole tube section... I know because the one on my retrovalve came apart a year ago.
Im not usre if they have changed it since then the SN was VV00211Did you hear about the new european weapons contracts? France is going to make the wooden sticks Spain making the little white flagsComment
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*Takes out bottle of truth serum and syringe*
Time to divulge the Lvl 10 secrets, BlackVCG.
*sinister laugh*
Perhaps new powertube spacers, powertube tips and superbolt? (not the body, just the internals..)
Perhaps some kind of design which reduces amount of force the bolt moves forward with, or changes the way air is released, hence the non-chopping characteristics..?
That's my best speculation, since Blackvcg said it wasn't a valve body or pt body.. the tuning part, same as regular mags, needs some adjusting. (just how different powertube spacers and on/off pins are needed to tune the mag)
My theory about the Lvl 10 before, was a new front valve body half with a short (maybe as small as half the length of current bolt, just long enough to cover feed hole in breach) powertube and bolt. Would need a new sear, but could still use old on/offs and such. Thus the dump chamber would be larger; lower pressure; less force exerted by bolt; less to no chops.
I suppose this might still be possible, using the current valve, the same very short bolt, and a metal spacer behind the blue bumper, or a really really long blue bumper, though the idea seems kinda silly.
I suppose the volume wouldn't be increased substantially from such a said modification, but *shrug* just my rambling idea at the moment.stop.***************************************
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You can also make the ID of the pt piston smaller hence the PT. I doubt there is any increase in chamber size. Doing so would result in shootdown just like the smart valve and we all know how good that thing was...Did you hear about the new european weapons contracts? France is going to make the wooden sticks Spain making the little white flagsComment
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perhaps the only real difference will be a smaller stem on
the bolt and changes to the powertube tip, spacers and o-ring
the standard o-ring right now is a #010 with a nominal 1/4"
hole. at 400psi pressure that means about 19.6lbs of pressure against the bolt.
if you change the stem to the next size smaller o-ring #009
you have a nominal 7/32 id (0.219") that would have about
15lbs against the bolt.
Or about 4.6lbs less force.
the spring rate of the spring is about 19lbs/in (calculated)
the spring in compressed about 1/2" or about 8.5lbs
so the stock o-ring has 19.6lbs - 8.5lbs(spring) or about 11.1 lbs of ball crushing force.
using the same spring and smaller o-ring, 15lbs - 8.5lbs
for 6.5lbs
6.5 lbs might allow the ball to live.
So new bolt with 7/32 stem instead of 1/4
new powertube tip with matching 7/32 hole.
new spacers with 7/32 hole.
and finally an adapter to hold the #009 0-ring
this adapter will need an o-ring on the outside as well so
to accomodate that,the adapter would have to be almost as
long as the present spacers,therefore the new spacers would
be shorter than the old.
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OK! See how I was able to snake that fact outof them! :)
SO we know bolt and something else pretty big that woulds push the cost up to close to $100....what could it be?Comment
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i think steveg has a good idea even if that didnt come with lvl10
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Originally posted by steveg
...6.5 lbs might allow the ball to live...
...Long enough to fly out the barrel and onto a cocker/angel/timmy/enter_gun_you_hate_right_here user, right :)
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Anyone else remember the thread Tom posted quite some time ago asking us if we would trade some r.o.f. for eliminating ball chops? It had something to do with a long travel bolt/pt setup. I tried to do a search but came up empty. I am just wondering if lvl10 is the result of this line of research?Comment
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