Update on LVL10 Testing

[jurassic]

Originally posted by steveg
perhaps the only real difference will be a smaller stem on
the bolt and changes to the powertube tip, spacers and o-ring

the standard o-ring right now is a #010 with a nominal 1/4"
hole. at 400psi pressure that means about 19.6lbs of pressure against the bolt.

if you change the stem to the next size smaller o-ring #009
you have a nominal 7/32 id (0.219") that would have about
15lbs against the bolt.

Or about 4.6lbs less force.

the spring rate of the spring is about 19lbs/in (calculated)

the spring in compressed about 1/2" or about 8.5lbs

so the stock o-ring has 19.6lbs - 8.5lbs(spring) or about 11.1 lbs of ball crushing force.

using the same spring and smaller o-ring, 15lbs - 8.5lbs
for 6.5lbs

6.5 lbs might allow the ball to live.

So new bolt with 7/32 stem instead of 1/4
new powertube tip with matching 7/32 hole.
new spacers with 7/32 hole.
and finally an adapter to hold the #009 0-ring

this adapter will need an o-ring on the outside as well so
to accomodate that,the adapter would have to be almost as
long as the present spacers,therefore the new spacers would
be shorter than the old.

Close?

Steveg has I believe hit the nail on the head. The simplicity of it all if true is pure genius!!
Also a stronger or longer spring would lessen the impact of the bolt on ball. Or a very light bolt with original spring!! This was something that Tom discussed awhile back!

[zads27]

New Superbolt - ~60-70
store.airgun.com prices:
bolt spring - 3
Powertube O-ring - 1
Powertube tip - 10
Bolt Bumper - 2
Powertube spacer kit - 12
Powertube tip o-ring - 1

Total: $89-99,
putting it right in the range that people are talking about.



I figure that this has to be it, since the valve body/powertube isn't being changed in Lvl 10;
the bolt and powertube related parts are basically the only inter-changable parts between the standard/rt/retro valves;
Tom said that it would retro fit to all existing AGD markers.

[cphilip]

Good figurin but...They are "trying" to keep it under $100 as they say. To make it doable for all the customers. Indicating they will be close to taking a loss at their costs which are under the msrp's you listed. So no you cannot figure on that stuff to explain it all. I think!

[PV=nRT]

okay, first all the secrecy regarding lvl 10 can be for the sake of confidentiality or, to build up hype among the user base, like it is certainly doing also, the price will most likely be less than what u predicted because usually when u buy more it costs less. if they are all packaged together, it will cost less than if u bought all the parts individually ...

[joeyjoe367]

...you know I was thinking... What would be cool is if there was some sort of adjustable-power-tube so that you didn't have to use spacers anymore...

bolt starts sticking? just twist a knob

leaking before shots? twist a knob

THat'd be cool, but probably a bit more than I could hope for.

TOM! lvl 11 IDEA!!!!!

[Jack_Dubious]

New Superbolt - $60-70
bolt spring - $3
Powertube O-ring - $1
Powertube tip - $10
Bolt Bumper - $2
Powertube spacer kit - $12
Powertube tip o-ring - $1

The look on the guys face when you rip 20bps without a break - PRICELESS


JDub

[cphilip]

This is so much fun now I don't even want to know the truth! Automag foreplay!

[Jack_Dubious]

Originally posted by cphilip
Automag foreplay!

I dont know why but that comment disturbs me.


JDub

[cphilip]

Admit it...it excites you jack!

[Oregon_pb_]

Give me a C&C Blue or Dark Green Extreme with ACE, lvl 10, and just tell me who to call.


I'll be ordering one of these puppies within 2 months of there release.


Anyone care to speculate about the price of all this? I would expect for a Standard Extreme no C&C around $1000. For C&C $1100-1250.

[vaypourus]

Is there any word if it will work with the Smartmag Valve? I don't see why it wouldn't, but would the enlarged air chambers change its performance?