To shoulder or not to shoulder... that is the question

[Xzion]

I ususally don't shoulder the marker, but when I do need to, the tank is more against the center of my chest, since im tilting hte marker because of my Warp Feed, it depends really on what the situation is, sometimes I do 'shoulder' it and sometimes I dont.

[StuDawggie]

Originally posted by wyn1370
I don't even shoulder when I'm playing back.

And I thought I was the only back player who didn't shoulder.


I don't know about the rest of you who don't shoulder, but I just don't like the feel of the tank resting on my shoulder.

[MagMan5446]

Puts your hopper up too high for me...

[personman]

I cant even see shouldering.. no way I could do it.. I just keep my tank tucked in nice and tight.

[pip_999]

well

im right handed and waht i do
is rest the tank on my upper arm
and wrap my arm around so i am basically faning the trigger

its not shouldering
but its damn close and comfortable

[Kaiser Bob]

Well I cant imagine NOT shouldering, the only time i dont is off the break when shouldering would slow you down, and then its SOOO hard to keep within a shooting lane. It just feels wrong.

[zads27]

Originally posted by Ultimator
Aren't as accurate of firearms? I know I'm going on movies and I shouldn't be, but everytime I see a machine-gun in a movie, bullets are flying everywhere and not at one concentrated point.

Basically, Shartley covered most of it..
Another aspect of a firearm is the recoil characteristics. Different full-auto (including burst fire) firearms react differently under recoil due to ammunition, type of action, weight, and balance of firearm and such, so each firearm has its own personality.

Operators who use their firearms as their lifeline (read: armed forces) train with their primary weapons not just for fun, but because they need to learn how it reacts and how to compensate for its recoil and such. While I personally almost always shoulder my marker, and always shoulder my long firearms... I think what is more important in paintball is that you practice and learn your marker, not so much to compensate for recoil, but to have down exactly how it moves and feels, in game.

Recoil is a large aspect of firearms, and while I don't want to go find my ballistics charts, they fire projectiles 1000-3500+ fps.. so the recoil is what throws many bullets off of the intended path..

As for shot for shot accuracy, most battle rifles are capable of about 1MOA.. one inch group at 100 yards.
Me, behind my marksman ("sniper") rifle averages a 5 shot grouping in ~1" at 300 yards, but this is because it is semi-automatic and "without" the effects of recoil.

Sorry for the massive tangent, it's 3:24 am, I can't sleep, and I'm bored.stop.

[davej946]

I gots to shoulder for "accuracy". Just my 2¢

Later ~ Jonesie

[FaSSt]

Shouldering is important in snap shooting, because maintaining the position of the gun in the same position in relation to your body helps immensely in training "muscle memory". Shouldering is not important when hosing an area, like a back player might. Lastly, Warp Feeds present some funky shooting positions, particularly when in shooting on the side that the Warp is mounted on, so sometimes shouldering is not possible.


An aside:

PLEASE STOP USING THE WORD OPERATOR! It's sooooo overused by everyone from Boy Scouts on up that it's getting pathetic.

[WebShock]

huh? where are you basing this from?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by shartley

Yes, that is it exactly. It is to increase the area the gun will cover with NO movement of the weapon. This allows the user to better use the Ammo they have as well as use it for actual suppressive fire. Heck if all the rounds went in one spot, all you would need is ONE shot.

W R O N G




I shoot a machine gun for a living. As a US Army Soldier, we are taught to shoot in controlled bursts. Granted, back in vietnam, the spray and pray was in full effect. These days you are unauthorized to shoot more than 3 tracers downrange ( in a machine gun belt, the 5th round is a tracer round, a round that glows and helps you aim.) As an instructor and a expert marksman I can tell you, the movie myth of shooting a continueous salvo of rounds without an end will do nothing but make your barrel glow bright red and eventually melt before your eyes. Don't believe everything you see in the movies. A machine gun shot without a tripod (referring to the T&E) is really really hard to control due to the insane recoil. Most of the time a squad level machine gun is on a traverse and elevation mechanism is during the zero of a night vision device of at the range during scope daylight zero'ing. If the machine gun is not mounted on a vehicle, they extremely hard to control and are mandated to be shot in short controlled bursts.

[shartley]

huh? where are you basing this from?
Originally posted by shartley

Yes, that is it exactly. It is to increase the area the gun will cover with NO movement of the weapon. This allows the user to better use the Ammo they have as well as use it for actual suppressive fire. Heck if all the rounds went in one spot, all you would need is ONE shot.

W R O N G




I shoot a machine gun for a living. As a US Army Soldier, we are taught to shoot in controlled bursts. Granted, back in vietnam, the spray and pray was in full effect. These days you are unauthorized to shoot more than 3 tracers downrange ( in a machine gun belt, the 5th round is a tracer round, a round that glows and helps you aim.) As an instructor and a expert marksman I can tell you, the movie myth of shooting a continueous salvo of rounds without an end will do nothing but make your barrel glow bright red and eventually melt before your eyes. Don't believe everything you see in the movies. A machine gun shot without a tripod (referring to the T&E) is really really hard to control due to the insane recoil. Most of the time a squad level machine gun is on a traverse and elevation mechanism is during the zero of a night vision device of at the range during scope daylight zero'ing. If the machine gun is not mounted on a vehicle, they extremely hard to control and are mandated to be shot in short controlled bursts.

[DarkRipper]

Originally posted by obsolete898
Yes, I don't see why you wouldn't.

What he said.

DR

[WebShock]

heh i never meant to get your blood pressure up.

I never mentioned anything about a m60 being hard to control on a t&e. thats childs play.

I meant a machine gun on a bipod

what i shouldve asked is, what regulation do you derive your knowledge on, instead of challenging you I would like to know what branch of service you are trained on. US Amry doctorine and Marine (also navy) can have many diffrent aspects and technique all acquiring the same effect.

Reading over your post i can see how i misinterpreted what you said. For that I apologize, still reading over all the posts it seems that you and I are trying to make the same point, just verbalizing it diffrently.

[shartley]

United States Army.