Single Trigger Emag?

[RT_Luver]

I might be missing something...but why not just pull the trigger with thee top part of the trigger and put your middle finger somewhere else...eh...

[E==Mag MAN]

RT_luver that would be commom sense.....jk'ing but i do think thats a dumb reason not to shoot a electro.

[manike]

Originally posted by DarkRipper
It's not that hard, and the offer to make one for 5k is ridiculous and insulting.

[manike]

Just looking at a stripped frame in front of me...

DR if you didn't mind the guard being a seperate piece attached via small bolts (a la the race Grip frame) then I could cut a grip down very nicely and proffessionaly on the CNC mill for you and make a trigger guard piece to fit.

Still wouldn't be that cheap, but less than making a whole new frame! And I think I could make it look pretty good still... (again would be cheaper to get someone to do it with a manual mill but not as nice a result).

Now if only I could find someone who would stretch an S2000 for me

manike

[nutz]

manike.. i could try make one in metals 2 next year or i could take independent study next (we have 4 2 axis CNC machines and one 3 axis CNC machine) It would be very tough for me. I took metals 1 this last semster and we made stuff like darts on the lathe and i made a picture frame on the CNC machines. Even these were tough to draw up on Master Cam which is what we run. Guys like u, manike, definitly have a tough but great job.


on a different note cant there be a custom single trigger made for the frame used now with the magnets in the right place im sure it would work fine

[DarkRipper]

Originally posted by manike

Why exactly do you want a single trigger frame? for looks or function?

Function.

You don't need a 2x on an electro.. all the people have been fooled over the years to think that it shoots faster. Well, it doesn't. You don't need a longer fulcrum to break a sear with less pressure... it's a mouse click.

Next, when I move, I want the maximum amount of fingers on the frame for control. I don't want some sort of thing where it's a finger behind a long trigger on the frame, what's the point of that?

No. And don't say I'm in the minority, I'm merely the one who said something.

DR

[DarkRipper]

Originally posted by manike


If it's not that hard DR then why not do one for yourself?

Why the semi-insulting tone, Manike? I'm not sure it's necessary.

I'm not asking/begging for one for other reasons with the emag...

The fact that I no longer own an emag isn't related to AGD not making a single frame for it.

It's manufacturer's attitudes that we all want 2x triggers and they aren't interested in making a frame for the people that don't that keeps me going to the makers that DO cater to the playing base.

How hard is it to design a frame that has a removeable guard?

That's what Race did. Well, you can take it off, and if you had a single guard and trigger you could have a single trigger race.

WDP should have done that, instead they made some sort of pirate cutlass thing that's even more ridiculous than the former 2x frame they had!

They started with 1x.... based on WDP's own conviction that the first angel was perfect the way it was, and needed no upgrades, then why switch to 2x? Hype.

Finally.... no. I refuse to put my money into the design, I'm the CONSUMER. Companies should pander to me, not the other way round. Some of you seem to have lost that concept.

It's my dollars/pounds that keep them running.

You can all poo-poo me if you like. I know what I know, and have made up my mind.

If you don't like that, then that's too bad. I hope you take the time to try a single frame electro sometime and see for yourself.

DR

[Paul La Rue]

what's up guys?
This seems like a really odd subject to start a flame war over.

Some people prefer a single frame (I being one of them), what's the point of jumping on people for their preference?

I find it a little ironic that AGD was one of the last companies to put a double trigger on thier markers (and the Automag really did need it) and now there's no way in hell to get a single trigger on their top end marker.

[FaSSt]

[DarkRipper]

Originally posted by FaSSt

Again, I don't personally care if the emag ever does, I'll never own another. I'm just saying that everyone here making the assumption that noone wants one or that it's not a viable option are incorrect. I'm irked that it would have taken what? Another hour or so to make the trigger guard and trigger interchangeable, and they didn't bother.

Why? Because all the little kids were convinced by the aftermarket parts companies that they HAD to have 2x triggers for their new electros back in 98, and NOW that's all you can freaking get anymore.

Well, they're 1. ugly and 2. unnecessary. The mag (in original format) was quite in need of a 2x, simply from the physics of its design. Modern electros (with the possible exception of the emag due to its ability to go manual) don't NEED a 2x trigger. I feel that it should be optional, and making snide comments about wanting something and never getting it aside (IE that car/motorcycle whatever the hell Manike was talking about), the world is driven by customer demands, and if the companies can't keep up with demands due to what they say is insufficient demand or lack of funds for R&D, then they'll lose some of that possible player base.

For instance: When I wanted an e-cocker, I looked around at all the available ones. I wanted a single (which due to the current hype climate is hard to find, of course) and the only one that was even willing to discuss it (in emails) was Racegun in Denmark. The US made part (Centerflag's frame) was (to quote) "never going to have a single, they just weren't going to do it".

Well, guess who got my 500 dollars? That's right. If you don't think that's significant, then you're mistaken. I buy THOUSANDS of dollars in gear a year... there are many like me that don't post here and you'll never meet.

To say that we're an insignificant minority is foolish and living under a rock.

We are consumers and we want what we want, and we're NOT going to pay 5000 dollars for it.

The companies need to clue in on that. Look at the matrix... enough people complained/asked/etc, and there is now a single frame for it. The matrix is a competitor to the emag, nicht wahr?

Wake up.

DR

[DarkRipper]

Originally posted by FaSSt

Paintball guns, despite apparent similarities, have so many differences in handling characteristics from real firearms that any comparisons are moot. Among other things, the lack of any appreciable recoil negates the need for an absolutely rock solid grip.

Sorry for the double quote, I felt this needed its own answer:

I'm not sure where you're getting this, so I'll just assume you're putting words in my mouth.

I want a single trigger frame because I can wrap more hand around the frame when I move... it's a simple concept. Most 2x trigger frame designs give you about 1.5 inches at the bottom to grip by.... given that if you're moving and you know how to play, you'll be moving (unless you're shooting while you move, a viable scenario) and sliding into a bunker with your other hand in front of your face to catch bounces that could break on your goggles then I want to be able to have the maximum grip on the pistol frame of my marker. I know you can grip it by the back of the marker etc but I want to be able to swing it up immediately into firing position. There are many times where you will hold your gun with one hand on the field, for instance shoving a sup air bunker aside for that angle... what's more stable? 3 fingers on the frame or 1 on the frame and the rest on the trigger?
Right.

Holding a gun by 1.5 inches of frame as opposed to 3+ inches isn't in the cards for me, especially when there's NO need for the extra huge trigger guard or trigger getting in the way.

It has nothing to do with making a more stable shooting platform, and very little to do with the physics of real guns.

[PowerFedMag]

dang

For the E-Mag, I say 2x trig is essential, I love it. Use both fingers and just run across the trig and get insane ROF's (not in hybrid either).
latez

[E==Mag MAN]

Dark Ripper im not flaming you just bringing this to your attention. I personally would like a single trigger frame but im not goin to bother.

But you say enough people complained about wanting a single trigger frame for the matrix. Well the matrix frame is interchangable with angel...there allready are single trigger frames for matrix........Why do you think they met this demand so easily just a thought

[Ov3rmind]

But you say enough people complained about wanting a single trigger frame for the matrix. Well the matrix frame is interchangable with angel...there allready are single trigger frames for matrix........Why do you think they met this demand so easily just a thought

Well, not exactly. the Matrix and Angel trigger frames are very similar in design, practically the same. However, they're not interchangeable, unless some modfications are made to the frame. What he was talking about (I think), is the single trigger frame that TMC made for the Matrix.

I personally use single trigger frames exclusivly now. There's really nothing specific or fact based for it, I just find them more comfortable to hold. Unfortunately, I doubt an single trigger E-Mag frame will be coming out, due to obvious reasons mentioned earlier. That's really too bad, because that is really the only thing keeping me from getting an Extreme later this year. Instead, I think I'm going to settle for a Viking (God bless AKA, you can order 'em with single or double triggers, and stick triggers in the near future).

[E==Mag MAN]

Okay, first off i almost bought a matrix..second my teammate shoots one...the frames are interchangable. second coming from a guy with a spyder.. if you had the marker then maybe i would believe you. BUt i had one in my hand to buy then decided not to i did my research. The frames are interchangable thats why the demand was met