Single Trigger Emag?

[Fred]

If I ever bought an Emag, i would take a single trigger over a double, but that's me.

I also like the point made about holding on with 3 fingers and shooting with 1. It makes sense to me, and is one of the reasons why I prefer single triggers (even on fully mechanical markers).

I think a single trigger Z grip would be cool to see too...

---Fred

[DarkRipper]

Well, whatever the reason for The Matrix Center coming out with the frame, it is OUT there for people who want it.

It sort of negates the whole theory that companies don't care what the public says, doesn't it?

DR

[DarkRipper]

Re: dang

Originally posted by PowerFedMag
For the E-Mag, I say 2x trig is essential, I love it. Use both fingers and just run across the trig and get insane ROF's (not in hybrid either).
latez

There are many people that would say that ROF isn't the point... it's accuracy. I can fire 10 bps (if I really try) with a single... do you know how much paint that is?

That's PLENTY. Past that it's overkill, even on a run out shooting a lane.

I can snapshoot 5 rounds in a second, and then I'm in.

Why do I need to snap shoot 10 rounds in a second?
I don't.

Hence, any real or PERCEIVED (note the caps) increase in ROF is pointless anyway... the guns already shoot fast enough that whether you have a single or a double, you will have sufficient firepower to do your job.

It boils down to aesthetics and grip room for better control of the marker whilst moving.

Well, for me anyway. But what do I know?

DR

[WARPED1]

I prefer single triggers,so do about 50 guys I play with.Maybe I'll get my gun guru to make me one when I get another E mag(the one I has was stolen 20 minutes after I bought it! )I fire 11 bps on a Tribal with single trigger.I don't believe the hypr that a double trigger is faster.

[-�on-]

I would Give my right nad for a single trigger Emag. A lot of people would take Single over double any day, considering if they are used to firing any other kind of REAL gun. Thats why I like single better than double.

[Paul La Rue]

Wow, looks like we're getting some good feedback on people wanting single triggers...

[Ov3rmind]

Yeah, but it'll take many more people, and much more badgering to make Tom do a single trigger frame. Maybe someday.

[WARPED1]

I'm going to have my favorite guy over at www.fearfactorypb.com to do it,he says he will try anything.I'm already going to commision him to modify an IR3 frame with a single trigger on my Tribal.

[Panzerr]

I would like a single trigger emag as well.

[hitech]

Originally posted by manike

If you didn't mind the guard being a separate piece attached via small bolts (a la the race Grip frame) then I could cut a grip down very nicely and professionally on the CNC mill for you and make a trigger guard piece to fit.

What are the odds that you could get this included in the design of the stock frame? Then the Emag could easily have an optional single trigger.

[Manuel_FZR]

I also would prefer a single frame.
I play single frames on both of my Mini - for me, the gun feels better in my hands with three fingers holding it.
A singlefingerframed Xtreeme - this would be verry cool . It would be great, if it would be offered as an option.

[WARPED1]

Well,damn,original mags were single trigger,then someone said double was faster(which in my opinion ISN'T),and soon everybody and his brother was making one.

[magmonkey]

I can probably build a slightly longer single trigger if there is interest in them email me

[manike]

Just got back from Paris, where I was showing Peugot/Citroen Design facility how to do some machining work. So I think I am pretty qualified to talk on this subject of design and manufacturing

DR, my comment to you to 'make one yourself' was in reference to my telling you what the design and development cost would be (for me to do it from scratch, it would be different if AGD decided to do it) and then you saying it was 'ridiculous and insulting'. I think you should research the cost of such things before you talk as if you know. Chill

What is ridiculous is your thinking it would only take another hours worth of work to create a frame which would be changeable from single to double trigger. That is laughable, especially when put into the context of a repeatable product CAD designed and with production intent. There is a significant amount of work more to draw up the options, the extra parts (including single and double trigger blades), the CNC programs and to administer it all. There is a significant extra cost and logistics required for the manufacturing of a 'convertible frame', there is extra costs for the assembly work... there are so many costs which you as a consumer with your demands do not, or do not want to, recognise.

It is not a cheap or easy thing to do. And there has to be a demand for someone to supply it. In your opinions there is, but in the opinion of many manufacturers there isn't during the beginning of a product life cycle. After the initial design costs are recouped THEN people start to offer the minority options. And you are in the minority at the moment. Just because you are willing to 'pipe up' doesn't mean you aren't in the minority

There are advantages to double triggers even on electro's and this can be seen by the number of top players in pro teams who 'walk' the trigger to get a higher rof. It is effective and an advantage. Just because you do not see it, and do not want it, does not mean that it doesn't exist. Contrary to popular belief JR doesn't design things into his gun because of hype. He does it because he believes it adds functionality. If you see how most pros now shoot angels you can see them doing things that they couldn't with a single trigger.

You will note that Race do not yet have a single trigger option on sale (although they did sensibly design in an upgradeable option, and it will soon be on sale). The fact that they designed in this option is admirable but must also have added a significant amount to the cost of manufacturing each frame. They are filling a 'custom' niche and thus it is important to their product to be able to offer such options. If it would only take an hour to design and produce that single trigger option for the race frame don't you think they would have done it already in response to your posts on their board and have it on sale by now? Also if you look at the cost of their product you can see that it is very expensive and comparable to many markers for a grip frame... So ultimately YOU and EVERY other consumer are already baring the design costs of their making that frame 'convertible'. They have spread that 5k (or whatever and in the case of their frame I expect significantly less ) over all the frames thay have produced and charging us all for it.

As the consumer YOU already are putting the money into the design. Wether you like or not You just didn't realise that you were.

Hitech, I could do that for the extreme grip frame, but my time to do it (way over an hour ) and the work involved would not be insignificant. And thus for a relatively small number of people (say if we get 30) it would still not be 'cheap'. You need to factor in the time for me to do the design, set ups and code, and then the cost of milling each frame and new guard... The mill time alone considering the batch size would make such an 'option' expensive and thus very unlikey to be standard.

manike

Who has shot single and double finger elecro's and just about any trigger configuration going. And on the e-mag where you may want to use 'manual' it has to be one of the most sensible 'eletros' to have a double trigger on.

p.s. I'm pretty sure I pointed out how you can hold the e-mag with 3 fingers and shoot it with 1... I do and I have big hands.

[WARPED1]

I say if you want a single,contract your fav custom shop,my guy will try anything,I like manikes frame idea where the guard is a seperate piece.
This whole rof thing is a waste anyway,considering that the bps is going to be capped at 13,and ALL multi modes will be banned.