Closed bolt markers and pinching paint......

[CpSuPeRkId]

Well im here to stir up some controversy or a freindly debate, whatever u wanna call it. In the firestorm autococker thread people were talking about closed bolt markers and how its just pointless, because every gun FIRES from a the bolt being closed. Im on the side of the people that say closed bolt does squat, they say that closed bolts also give u a flat ball trajectory, from what ive experienced cockers(closed bolt) do not give me any more flatness in the ball flight then an angel( people also say that angels lob paintballs at an arc, this is soo not true) and all these people with biased opinions on guns that do this and guns that do that, like cockers being the most accurate, angels lobbing balls, mags breaking paint.... where the heck do people come up with these things??? ive had first hand experience with all of them and with the same barrel they all perform equally good with own unique featues as long as they are set at the same fps. Now i just want to hear what all u people think about closed bolts and more accuracy(even on the marker reviews on pballgear.com they showed that the mag was more accurate than the cocker, even with aftermarket barrels) or even other rumors about how guns shoot. Also, on another thread they said matrixes and cockers can pinch balls, is this just becaues they are closed bolt and becasue of the closed bolt the ball does shoot when the bolt is coming forward so u can adjust how hard u want the bolt to return and thus allowing it to pinch a ball and not break it.

[epterry]

I do agree that closed bolt is a little more gas efficient. (Specially when its shooting at a lower fps)lol

[steveg]

cockers, matrix's etc. pinch the ball simply because the pressure moving the bolt is low enough, that the ball can
take being hit by the bolt, without breaking.

[lopxtc]

Re: Closed bolt markers and pinching paint......

As a former Marine competition pistol and rifle shooter, I will be happy to argue you on this point. All types of projectiles leave the barrel and fly down range in an arc. If you dont belive me, grab a spotter scope hit the 1000 yard line and watch rounds go down range. You can watch the air disturbence and see the arc. Its pretty cool to watch also.

Aaron

Originally posted by CpSuPeRkId
people also say that angels lob paintballs at an arc, this is soo not true

[personman]

Well, then, to top off all these lies..



Talons are super accurate, dont break paint, run at 1 psi and shoot 500 fps easily, theyy have a super reg inside that is so constant if you could adjust the velocity very quickly and fire two balls, you could get the first one with the second one, but of corse thats with its super multi bore setting. All you need to do is think of the bore you want and it shoots super efficiant super quiet and with super accuracy. It has a quick switch like those action figures with the flip heads. Bam single trigger bam double trigger bam blade trigger. It has a switch that makes it shoot open or closed bolt and has a built in super feeding system so you dont need a rev.
You can never shortstroke or chop.
They can run at 1 to 25 bps accuratly and consistantally with its built in atomic timer. The trigger is adjustable to the longest pull you can imagine or so short you can touch it and have it fire. ~Y3K talon

[lopxtc]

Damn ... year 3000 and the trigger pulls still are not short enough. Wont anyone every solve this problem.

Aaron

Originally posted by personman
The trigger is adjustable to the longest pull you can imagine or so short you can touch it and have it fire. ~Y3K talon

[personman]

Year 3500 there are no triggers!

[magsRus]

from what i experienced with closed bolt markers they do give you more accuracy

[obsolete898]

^^^^^ FIRE IN THE HOLE!!

[personman]

Sorry, I cant do that Obsolete, I need closed bolt action to be accurate enough to fire in the hole..

[Tk]

Hasn't Tom said that accuracy comes from matching ball to bore size enough times to make it stick in peoples brains for the rest of all time? Its a well known fact that gravity does exist and it will cause any projectile to arc. As far as pinching and chopping paint...its not the gun its the shooter!

[obsolete898]

Sorry, I cant do that Obsolete, I need closed bolt action to be accurate enough to fire in the hole..

LOL good call.

[Bartleby]

this is about the fifth time i've posted this in the month of June, which i remind you people we are only a week and a half into. do everyone a favor, read this article and come back and share with the rest of us your new-found knowledge and appreciation for physics.

[obsolete898]

Screw physics we all know elves make stuff operate.

[mykroft]

The advantage of a marker like the Autococker when shooting is that if you are taking slow aimed shots, there is less kick from moving parts to throw your aim off by shaking the marker, because the bolt is at rest and only the hammer is moving, note that although this is not actually recoil (it occurs after the firing cycle) it is usually referred to as such. This is a moot point when rapid firing. Paint-to-barrel match and velocity consistency is far more important than recoil. No gun 'lobs' or shoots flatter, except the Z-Body Automag and Flatline M98's & Flatline Cockers, which induce backspin on the ball in order to add lift, and change the trajectory. Paintball are not deformed by the firing forces.

Efficiency: Fixed volume guns are less efficient than pin-valve guns, and blowbacks are less efficient than non-blowbacks.

With fixed volume guns, efficiency tends to go up as pressure does, while pin-valve guns tend to the opposite. This is the reason that LP Cockers are so efficient and Matrixes and Shockers have horrific efficiency.