Level 10 Vs. ACE?

[battlegroup]

I know this was asked in another thread but I couldn't find if an answer was posted.

What are the advantages/disadvantages of having the ACE and the level 10 mod?

Both are designed to do the same thing, stop ball chops, but each does it differently.

My take is that even though the level 10 will not chop a good ball (a defective ball may chop or break in the barrell), the ACE will prevent the gun from even firing if the ball isn't all the way into the breech. is this better than having the level ten just bounce off the ball? it seems to me that the mechanical level ten bouncing off the ball will never fail unless the bleed hole in the bolt clogged (i think). However the ACE is electronic and is subceptible to water/heat and may malfunction more easily than level 10. (not that I expect either to malfunction at all) I just want to eliminate any unnecessary equipment, especially if they use battery power since my Revy and Warp will be run off the E-Mag battery.

Give me your thoughts!

[RT_Luver]

IMO....i dont really see a need for ACE with the Lvl 10. from what Tom has shown us, it looks like it carrie's everything need to prevent ball breakage. even though I will like having ACE on my Extreme E-mag, it might be off more then on

[Coaster]

there is another benefit of having the lvl10 over the ACE, and that is: dealing with soft paint that is being shot(not paint that is getting chopped). The ACE cannot do anything about this(unless you also have a lvl10) hence it being an anti-chop eye. If there is brittle paint in the breech then the lvl10 will help to not break it, the ACE doesn't do anything to decrease non-chop related ball breaks.

[paintbattler]

um..at least u have a good chance that u wont chop if u had both...

[wyn1370]

as stated above the ace will help in making sure that a ball is actually in the breech. If you're firing too fast it will insure that your rate of fire is only equal to how fast the balls are feeding. If a ball does get pinched, it will take extra time for the bolt to reset, whereas the ace will make sure it doesn't have to reset, just fire once the ball is ready.

[battlegroup]

I'm not opposed to having both, I will definetly have level ten but is it worth the extra $$ to get the ACE and what extra benefits will it provide. Since level 10 will be easier on all paint and wont chop if a ball doesn't fall into the breach, what benefits does the ACE provide. Plus if you don't have ACE then there is less drain in the battery (however small).

So my question still stands, why do we need ACE with Level 10?

[Load SM5]

Well, a benefit of having both is that in Hybrid mode is it possible to pull past the electronic part of the firing sequence and fire mechanically. And in pure Mechanical the eye does'nt function. Level 10 will act like a backup for the ACE and make the mag easier on brittle paint.

The ACE gets the ball into the breach, level 10 makes sure it leaves the gun in ball form.

[RT_Luver]

Originally posted by paintbattler
um..at least u have a good chance that u wont chop if u had both...

lol...u always got somethign smart to say..

[Coaster]

With the lvl10 only, when the ball would be chopped in a previous level it is instead popped back up(shown in one of the videos). However, he only showed this with using 1 ball, if this were to happen with an entire loader full of balls then the paintball would have to also be pushed up against that the dropping paintballs from the loader exerted on it... So an ACE system would prevent the ball from being "popped up", not to mention elimating all possible chops.

Correct me if i am wrong, guys... just me thinking aimlessly.

[Evil Bob]

The beauty of the level 10 mod is that you can put it on ANY AGD marker! ACE is will only be available on the Xtreme. Everyone who owns a Mag can immediately enjoy the benefits of level 10 by simply ordering the upgrade.

Level 10 means you will break less paint, ACE means you will only fire when the ball is properly seated, together, you will shoot smoothly at the fastest rate the marker can be fed.

-Evil Bob

[TransMan]

Originally posted by Coaster
With the lvl10 only, when the ball would be chopped in a previous level it is instead popped back up(shown in one of the videos). However, he only showed this with using 1 ball, if this were to happen with an entire loader full of balls then the paintball would have to also be pushed up against that the dropping paintballs from the loader exerted on it... So an ACE system would prevent the ball from being "popped up", not to mention elimating all possible chops.

Correct me if i am wrong, guys... just me thinking aimlessly.

it doesnt pop the ball up every time most of the time the bolt will stop vent a little air and reset and the ball wont pop up at all if your using a force feed like HALO or Warp

[riooso]

Along this same line. It appears to me, from the diagrams and pics that Tom has given us, that the LVL 10 setup will not send air down the barrel till almost the end of the stroke. Isn't this fact making this very close to the physics of a closed bolt? I am just curious about this. Just wondering.

R

[jwa158]

that is a great theory riooso, makes a lot of sense. i wonder because of the difference of the time and position of where the ball is being fired has any affects on accuracy or distance or anything like that. i wonder if anyone has ever focused on the outcome of the lvl 10 mod other than the reduce in ball breakage.

[riooso]

I just thought that I would ask. I have worked for many years with digital electronics and one thing that is dealt with is "transitory reality" That means that if many different events are needed to make a particular event happen and they exist for sometimes only a micro-second the event becomes a "reality". The debate about how the ball is mangled by a typical Mag and effects accuracy is still raging. I am really looking forward to the next couple of months and am really excited for Airgun.I will be voting with my wallet. This will be the first time that I will order a $1000 marker sight unseen. I just really think the Extreme with the LVL 10 and new body design will meet the physics that I am looking for in a marker.

R