Not to be offensive towards AGD

[Patron God of Pirates]

Originally posted by wyn1370
I love watching you guys jump all over someone who says their mag chops. Given he could have put it better. But just so you know, I have also had many problems with my mag throughout the years.

It seems as though some people have problems and some don't. My RTP/Warp/12vRev will chop if I get ridiculous on the trigger, but it has yet to chop a ball in game.

I think the way it is worded is exactly the issue. As if AGD somehow mislead its customers by not making the E-Mag Chop proof.

[wyn1370]

Originally posted by cphilip
NO one is jumping on him for the chopping situation. I was jumping on him for his total mistatements of the facts.

And I will remaind you that your single situation is hardly a scientific valid sample group either. Fact is Some do! Some do not! Only reason I know is my two do not and I am accepting on faith yours does. If I counted all the cocker owners out there that choped and concluded cockers all chop I would be just as wrong and he is. I am not going to do that. I've seen em do both. State the facts. So thats the point here Wyn. You seem to want to make it a slightly different one.

sorry uncle phil,
I'm just trying to point out that there are cases where mags do chop. My case being one. I like to think of myself as a somewhat regular around here. And as a regular try to bring about a little bit of constructive skepticism.

[Creative Mayhem]

I know what you are saying about planning and debugging before release. Don't think this as a flame, when these products were first conceived, they were on the drawing board for a long time. All the while, the kinks were being worked out. No one is perfect, no one can predict the future, and no one can foresee all possible problems. If you have some sort of crystal ball, your are more than welcome to use it, but don't forget to share with the rest of us.

BTW I have owned a minimag for 9+ yrs, and I recall only chopping 30-40 balls over that time. Think about it, 9yrs and only 30-40 chops? Go ahead, tell me that my mag is a "blender".
Cockers chop - the revise to fix it
Angels(without COPS) chop - they revise to fix it
Bushies/Impulses chop - they revise to fix it
and so on...

My point is that all manufacturers TRY to fix these things prior to release, but there is ALWAYS room for improvement.

[MrAirgunRT]

I rarely chop in my RT, one day all I did was break balls.. I could not figure out why.. So I sat out a couple games looking through my gun, I had a broken nubbin. That was the only time I had problems breaking balls. I have went through cases and cases without breaking and I don't see how people really get that mags are blenders. I have a long nose foamie bolt also. I am getting an E-Mag very shortly and from personal experience, even without the foamie bolt, they don't chop either. I had a 3 man tournament not that long ago, my teammates had E-Mags, and I had my RT. ALTOGETHER we broke 1 ball down the barrel. I will personally never leave AGD because they are GREAT guns, no matter what anyone tells me about them. yes I may buy a Cocker or an Angel, use it some, but mags are my main type of guns.

[wyn1370]

Originally posted by Creative Mayhem
BTW I have owned a minimag for 9+ yrs, and I recall only chopping 30-40 balls over that time. Think about it, 9yrs and only 30-40 chops? Go ahead, tell me that my mag is a "blender".

I've had mine for something like 11 or 12 years. All the time I figured it was usual to get chops. Then I found AO and come to find other people don't have these problems. After a year on here and many upgrades (all agd approved no aftermarket internals), no progress. The only reason I still own the thing is because I've sunk so much money into it.

[Army]

Umm..You've had a Minimag for nearly 12 years?

[wyn1370]

Originally posted by Army
Umm..You've had a Minimag for nearly 12 years?

nope, forgot I got it in 94 not 90, sorry.

[cphilip]

Originally posted by wyn1370

sorry uncle phil,
I'm just trying to point out that there are cases where mags do chop. My case being one. I like to think of myself as a somewhat regular around here. And as a regular try to bring about a little bit of constructive skepticism.

Exactly Wyn! Which is why I immediately believed you did have one that chopped more so than is normal! You sir have credibiltiy with me and I trust you are telling the truth.

But the author of this thread lost some of his with me a while back and I can show you some stuff. I would rather not get into it but will if I must. Note: he admits chopping with even his Angel with Antichop eye too. Can be done...if you do not know what your doing setting them up. I sure do not either. So do all Angels chop? Hevens no. Thats the point.

Your situation is different and I trust there most certainly is something wrong with yours. But I think something abnormaly wrong not inherent in the overall design. Perhaps a manufacturing flaw.

[cphilip]

Originally posted by Patron God of Pirates
I think the way it is worded is exactly the issue. As if AGD somehow mislead its customers by not making the E-Mag Chop proof.

I think you are on to the point now! Good job summing it up!

[wyn1370]

Ah, so there is past hostility. Now it makes sense. I just felt that he maybe misworded his post a little and was getting way too much flack for it. Was just trying to take some heat off the poor kid.
To the pages of yesterday with this thread. I'm done.

[cphilip]

ya a little. I'll tell you some day...And you'll understand why I jump to the conclusion that the misswording may be intentional...

[lopxtc]

I believe that the Talon is still on its original design :)

Sorry had to break up the tension.


Aaron

Originally posted by cphilip
Name me one marker that has not been put out that wasn't later adjusted after field experience to make it better.

NONE!