B&W sticker rule??

[RT_Luver]

WHY?? I mean, what is its purpose rather then to take away from the ability to have good stickers on your hopper and etc.. and what tournies does this rule apply to?

[dre1919]

Ah ha...the rules nazis are up to it again!

Yeah, I've seen this rule before. It's standard for NPPL and PanAm circuit, however I am led to believe the NPPL is kind of lax on enforcing it. The main reason I've heard it's illegal is becuase when you put colored stickers on your loader they can be confused as hits or camoflauge a hit. I think this is kinda childish really. Anytime I've gotten a hopper hit happen to me, it blew all over the hopper and was pretty obvious. Not to mention the fact that if people wouldn't cheat and just play fair, we wouldn't have to worry about it. (The same could be said for if the tourney has good refs, don't worry about it.)

I don't think it's that much of a deal to me, but then again, it's like the rule where you HAVE to have a long sleeve pulled all the way to your wrist. No exceptions! Heaven forbid you might show some wrist skin that might get hit, and you might sue...or you're skin might be slick enough to deflect a hit. This is once again another way to put us all in grey jumpsuits with barcodes and no individuality. As an artist, I HATE censorship, so these topics are kind of rants to me personally. Anyway, I'm with you man...sticker up that hopper!!

[shadowspar]

Re: B&W sticker rule??

Originally posted by RT_Luver
WHY?? I mean, what is its purpose rather then to take away from the ability to have good stickers on your hopper and etc.. .

...because people decided to play the grey a little bit too far. A pic from WARPIG's tournament gallery (Joy Masters 2001) will serve to illustrate:

Hm. Those 397 hopper stickers wouldn't be there to camouflage paintball hits, would they?

[RT pRo AuToMaG]

When the NPPL decides to buy my hoppers, i'll decide not to use colored stickers.

[Army]

Teams were caught greasing their skin, now the rule is long sleeve only.

Teams were making rainbows of their hoppers, now the rule is 2 small B&W stickers only.

Teams were finding out the fill of the day, and wore jerseys to match it, now the rule is subdued colors, no bright yellow, orange, etc.

Teams were using full-auto guns with force fed hoppers, now the rule is gravity fed, semi only.

Teams were wearing multiple layers of clothing to cushion the hit for more bounces, now the rule is two layers only.

The rules are to keep everyone equal on the field, except for skills. Calling the Pan-Am and NPPL "rules nazi's" is childish and ignorant.

[personman]

Originally posted by Army
Teams were caught greasing their skin, now the rule is long sleeve only.

Teams were making rainbows of their hoppers, now the rule is 2 small B&W stickers only.

Teams were finding out the fill of the day, and wore jerseys to match it, now the rule is subdued colors, no bright yellow, orange, etc.

Teams were using full-auto guns with force fed hoppers, now the rule is gravity fed, semi only.

Teams were wearing multiple layers of clothing to cushion the hit for more bounces, now the rule is two layers only.

The rules are to keep everyone equal on the field, except for skills. Calling the Pan-Am and NPPL "rules nazi's" is childish and ignorant.

I only wear one layer when I go paintballing

[Telefragged]

Greasing your skin? You must be really hard up for a win, or must try really hard to succeed when you cheat, BTW, that guy with the nice 'stickery' loader should be kicked in the head. And look! He even put them on his regulator,high rise, gun body. I now, officially, really want to kick this guy myself!!!

[mykroft]

It's Black, White & red in the NPPL, not sure about the Pan Am. Since no white or red fill is ever used, these are the legit colours.

Glad my stickers are still legal.

[DarkRipper]

When were teams using FA markers with forcefeed hoppers?


DR

[dre1919]

Gee, sorry you feel that way...

Originally posted by Army
Teams were caught greasing their skin, now the rule is long sleeve only.

Teams were making rainbows of their hoppers, now the rule is 2 small B&W stickers only.

Teams were finding out the fill of the day, and wore jerseys to match it, now the rule is subdued colors, no bright yellow, orange, etc.

Teams were using full-auto guns with force fed hoppers, now the rule is gravity fed, semi only.

Teams were wearing multiple layers of clothing to cushion the hit for more bounces, now the rule is two layers only.

The rules are to keep everyone equal on the field, except for skills. Calling the Pan-Am and NPPL "rules nazi's" is childish and ignorant.

...but I beg to differ. I feel very strongly about this. I was making a sarcastic joke about what I feel is an overbearance in rules when I said they were the "rules nazis." Technically, if they were rules "nazis" they would be trying to practice racial genocide and all the other things that made the Nazi party in Germany the bane of the world. You know what's childish and ignorant? Greasing up your skin so a ball will slide off or wearing a jersey the color of the fills for that day to intentionally cheat. That's some serious bull**** and the players that decide to try that crap should be kicked out of that event. Period. No need to modify the rules and take away rights from honest players who might want a colored sticker on their hopper. Why penalize someone who hasn't done anything wrong? That's very cool of them to try and keep things fair on the field, skills not included, and I understand some standardization is necissary when you talk about a league. I have no problem with this. Where my problem lies is saying something like this: "Well Jimmy, you gotta go get another hopper since yours has four green stickers on it." "Why?" "Becuase some guy you've never met and probably wouldn't like when you did cheated once...ruined it for everyone. Thanks for paying to come to our event though!" Sorry Army, I like ya bro and I'm not trying to flame you...I just feel like you totally took a shot at me on that one.

[mykroft]

DarkRipper: That rule comes from the mid 90's, AT-85's and Tippmann F/A's both have force-fed hoppers and full auto.

[Spaceman613]

Dre, I agree, but they had to make a definite rule thats easy to understand. They can't have some rules interpreted differently by different people.

Bottom line is some morons and rule benders screwed it for all.

[DarkRipper]

Originally posted by mykroft
DarkRipper: That rule comes from the mid 90's, AT-85's and Tippmann F/A's both have force-fed hoppers and full auto.

Hrm. I'm familiar with both markers... they could be considered force feed, I suppose... but what teams were using them?

DR

[Polishpickles451]

at all the local tournies i've played in, they ask not to have too many hopper stickers. most people just have thier sponsor stickers, and that works for us, and they are in color.
I can see some people trying to get away with camoflaging hits, and because of them they made this rule, so let's blame the people who'd rather win by trickery then by playing clean, and not call NPPL nazis.

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by dre1919


You know what's childish and ignorant? Greasing up your skin so a ball will slide off or wearing a jersey the color of the fills for that day to intentionally cheat. That's some serious bull**** and the players that decide to try that crap should be kicked out of that event. Period. No need to modify the rules and take away rights from honest players who might want a colored sticker on their hopper. ...
...Where my problem lies is saying something like this: "Well Jimmy, you gotta go get another hopper since yours has four green stickers on it." "Why?" "Becuase some guy you've never met and probably wouldn't like when you did cheated once...ruined it for everyone. Thanks for paying to come to our event though!"

Unfortunately, this is where all rules come from. Every one should be able to use their common sence and drive at reasonable speeds. Would they? Hell no. Remove speed limits from school zones and morons will be going through at 100 mph. Everyone should happily pay their share of taxes, but if the IRS couldn't come after you do you think they would? Gov't would have to shut down in a week.

At a competition, how on Earth are you going to expel someone without a rule to back you up? Professional and top end competition is all about pushing the rules to the limits.

Yes if you use stickers to hide a hit and you get caught cheating for playing on after a hit you should be sent packing. But if the stickers are letting players get away with cheating then you have to ban them.

As for showing up at an event and learning of new rules, I think it would be your own fault for not reading the rules before signing up and paying.