(Automaggot starts his rant) OMG I HATE OLD WHINEY PAINTBALLERS!

[hitech]

AutoMaggot,

You never mentioned what you think it takes to "earn" the right to shoot an Angel in a tournament?

[AzrealDarkmoonZ]

Question: Is it against the rules to do their behavior? And do they often win?

Some other points, it is cheaper from a money standpoint to start off with a higher end marker if you know you will be playing a lot. And what is a high end marker, or better yet a low end marker? When you say High End I am assuming Angels, since it is the prettiest and most...advertised of the electros. They got what the market says is the best, and it bears out that it is a high quality fine gun. Just because someone gets a high quality marker does not mean he or she is instinctly a bad player. It just means they have the ability to start out at that level.

Back to the above questions. I am mainly a rec player, but generally a hopper is what 80% of the players play with, but in your tournaments is it against the rules to play with as much paint as you want? If it isn't then why are you not taking advantage of the fact if you percieve it as an advantage, from the listing of your credentials it sounds as if you should not even be playing this calibre of competition?

And if you win a majority of games and are dominating the field, aren't you wondering maybe why you are in the skill bracket you are?

Just some observations.

Az

[AutoMaggot]

Perhaps its just me, but I think there is a natural progression of markers when someone gets involved with paintball. A new marker should be purchased when the old one begins to inhibit playing ability... obviously these old guys dont have the ability to match their angels... one just ran out and bought a blue fade CnC IR3 and fans the trigger on it... and when they have the gaul to whine about our ability, it just makes me a bit mad.

Boltsmack. You guys suffered the wrath of it too. You sent a few guys up the tape to do some dirty work and hit one of the old dudes more than 3 times and got docked 50 points for "overshooting" because they whined about it! Bah!

Thats the kind of crap im talkin' about.

aren't you wondering maybe why you are in the skill bracket you are?

We sure as hell are wondering that. I think we're going to bump to Novice/Am in the NEPL where we used to play.

[dmonahan]

Automaggot,
Any Time any of you 19 year old snot nosed brats what to but your money where mouth is and come on out here to SoCal and step up. I take major offens to you talking smack about persons age relating to there ability and equipment they use. Maybe we have better equpment because we have real jobs and have paid our dues and can afford good equipment.

I reffed the San Diego Pan-Am and had more trouble with the younger players on the Am teams that ANY of the older players. I have to agree with you on 1 point.Whiners have no place in this game but we all have to deal with them. But age has nothing to do with ability.

If you want to complain about player that spray and pray fine. If you think us old guys can't hold our own (i'm 37) come on out and I think I can change your opinion on that fact. If you want to complaint about peaple and the type of eguipment they use (sound to me like you might be a littel jealous) get a job and save your money.

[AutoMaggot]

Whew... touchy!

Maybe you know how to play... these guys surely dont.

[AzrealDarkmoonZ]

I beleive the natural progression that many talk about is simply based on the initial perceived level of playing. I remember I bought my PMI Piranha thinking I will play every now and then, this 160 dollar gun will be fine, 3 mos later I upgrade the hell out of it. Another 2 months go by and I buy a cocker, then a micromagRT and another Cocker, til I now have the equipment I need. If I had just bought the cocker/mmrt at the beginning I would have saved money. IE at the beginning you want as small as investment as possible, if you are finacially strapped that is.

Az

[dmonahan]

You know us OLD guys. We like to rant and rave..

[Death Doctor]

EvilBob

The lightning speed was refferring to the Germans and the difference in there successful tactics like the Blitz and there unsuccessful tactics like the atlantic wall...

The allies werent in the position to be fast in their situation as you know, but they needed to move as fast as they could. The Germans mean while are mowing them down. In spite of this the allies manage, and I was trying to make a particular point on how many allies died compared to the Germans that died that day. The Germans per man killed many many more than the allies per man killed of the Germans. This was because of the circumstances which made the young allies not able to quickly or easily make a hole in the defense. Yet after thousands of people killed and wounded they still managed to pull together and defeat the wall even after the brutal beating they had taken from the Germans.

Now what my point was, was to show how effectiveness and skill differ. The Germans had machine guns that shot many many large rounds very quickly and since they had a height advantage they could easily mow down the allies as they landed. They took many many lives more than the allies took of the Germans on that day. The Germans were much more effective at defending their positions than the allies were at opposing them. Does that mean that the Germans were more skilled in that battle? Or is it the allies who are more skilled because in spite their odds inspite the hail of machine gun fire, the mines, and the deaths they still managed to succeed?

So the Germans were more effective at taking lives, but that was because they had concrete bunkers and lots of machine guns that they fired as soon as the allies were in range and had so much bullets flying that they could eliminate almost everyone in the transport.

The allies were being mowed down and they didnt have concrete bunkers to hide behind they had to penetrate massive defensive fortifications meanwhile being killed in an alarming rate.

Germans were quite effective, yet despite all their advantages they still were defeated.

Lots of paint may be effective but Its not as skillful as someone who uses little paint with the same amount of kills.

And another thing Id like to remind you people who shoot lots of paint about is that paintball was started as a fun military simulation combined with the age old kid game "Bang, youre dead!", anyone who doesnt believe me should read the book "The Survival Game". Now in a military group going into battle you dont have an unlimited supply of ammo, in fact in Vietnam if you were going into the jungle you had only 280 bullets for your m16 and less if you carried an m14. When people go through more than a hopper in one game dont really bother me except for when they think they are good because they are effective when it is just that they shoot so much paint that it floods the air. In a realistic situation they would be out of ammo and be killed like sitting ducks or running if they ran.

[SqueegeeKid]

I seriously wish i didn't buy a cheap *** gun at first (Spyder Compact) i wasted too much money on that POS. If i had known (and should have) that i'd love this sport, i woulda bought a good gun off the bat.

I don't understand where/how you can "Earn The Right" to shoot a certain kind of gun. I'm not a great player, do i deserve a RetroMag?? An Angel?? I'll buy whatever gun i want. I deserve it cause i payed for it.

I don't think age has anything to do with anything in paintball. If you think otherwise you're smoking some crack.
There's alot of 40 year olds out there that could kick your *** at anything. Just gotta maintain the machine.

If someone wants to sling a case of paint every round, why not? If it keeps your *** behind a bunker or gets your out of the game whats the problem? I know guys who'll keep you behind a bunker with a pump gun, me on the other hand'll use half a hopper if you stick your face out. I can afford it. So do something about it. Make me stop shooting perhaps?!?!

It is kinda funny to see newbies running around with IR3's and Kapp Cockers but *****ing won't do anything. Looks like jealousy to me. But if you look around, you'll notice a weird trend. Angels and Cockers are like belly buttons it seems. Everyone has one. I doubt the guys "asked" what was a good gun, probably went to a field and saw that everyone and their brother was using one.

Just thought i'd toss in my 2cents.

[shartley]

SqueegeeKid

[kutter]

I read this thread with increasing scorn and anger, probably because I too am not as young and spry as I once was and I have good equipment. I have what I have because I work about 60 hours a week to get it. I have also owned many guns before, some good, some not so good. To assume that they just went out and bought an IR3 as their first gun is ridiculous, it is possible, but not likely. Not to many people will pony up $1300, or whatever they cost, on a sport that they are not sure they are going to like.

As far as the hunker down and spray mentality goes, well all I can say is, when you have knees like mine I do not think you will be diving over or into too many bunkers, so I play the back. People do not seem to mind since I can afford to throw paint, and if I tell you to go it means GO, because the bunkers that I am keeping busy will not be sticking anything out. Now is all of this wrong, now way. Show me one succesful team that does not have a back player that provides suppresive fire for the front player.

Just my opinions, I could be wrong.

[magking1971]

I whine and moan about my old age(31) and joke with the refs about giving us a min head start.lol
BUT, what gives me the right to own a very spendy marker?...
I WORKED MY REAR OFF FOR IT!!!!
Being a single parent money is TIGHT I had to save and sell and not play for 2 months just to get it.

[SqueegeeKid]

OOPS! Won't happen again.

Sorry about that. Guess my definition of curses are a little more liberal than most. Primetime TV has tainted my brain.

Good thing the swear filter is working good!

[bornl33t]

ya'll are missing the point again.... ignorance is bliss

acept it. not all ppl get more mature as they grow up....but MOST ppl get grupier and all ppl get slower and less agile. If you can't deal with this... then paintball might not be your sport. It's not about you're income level, it's not about your gun or the oponents gun. It's about leaving your pride at the door and doing your best.