exactly why does a shortstroke cause a break???

[CpSuPeRkId]

i know a mag inside and out except for one thing i never took teh time to understand: why a shortstroke breaks a ball. i mean the lvl0 doenst break because its light pressure at the beginning of the stroke, well when u shortstroke its caused by not returning the trigger all the way forward, which in turn causes the dump chamber to not because fully pressurized. well doenst this mena when shorstroking it should just pinch balls because of the little pressure being shot out??? so why does the darn thing break paint???( i thought maybe it could be because when u shortstroke it doenst break on the shortstroke, it breaks on the next shot, so maybe its cuz the shortstroked ball was half way out of the way, so the next ball is laying on half of that ball that barely went forward, which makes it half way in the breeche which causes a chop, its confusing but i think thats what causes it)

[paintbattler]

well, u basically shoot twice per 1 trigger pull if that makes sense..the ball gets in the middle and chops right in half

[RT_Luver]

short stroking causes a break because when you short stroke, the gun doesn't fire but it still collects another ball int he breach so now there are 2 balls in the breach. and once you fire they hit each other and the colision makes them break. simple if you think about it

[CpSuPeRkId]

ok, that explains it rt luver.its just that i hear people say "chop" and i think that its a bolt chop, but i also think, well the bolt moves the ball a bit, so the new ball still falls in. and what im talkin about shortstroking pinchin balls, thats cuz i thought maybe cuz its got so litle pressure that it would, but shortstroking doesnt cause actual CHOPS, just breaks by a 2 ball collision. im all good. i now understand mags FULLY, i think lol

[DeFAuLt]

the bolt moves the ball just past the detent and another ball falls halfway in and as soon as you pull the trigger again... chop! take out the trusty ol' squeegee. (excluding cases where the lv 10 is present)

[CpSuPeRkId]

okaay, now u just told me my first theory default, WHICH IS IT rt luver and default?? the no bolt chop, but collision of paintballs in the barrel, or the first ball barely past the detent and the otehr ball half way in and CHOP??? also id like to ask again, wouldnt the low pressure(theoretically) of the shortstroke cause a pinch default??

[DeFAuLt]

pic of a shortstroke scenario 1

[DeFAuLt]

pic of shortstroke scenario 2. on this one it will accelerate in to the other ball and in most cases pop one or both of the balls causing a barrel break.

[DeFAuLt]

Originally posted by CpSuPeRkId
okaay, now u just told me my first theory default, WHICH IS IT rt luver and default?? the no bolt chop, but collision of paintballs in the barrel, or the first ball barely past the detent and the otehr ball half way in and CHOP??? also id like to ask again, wouldnt the low pressure(theoretically) of the shortstroke cause a pinch default??

you shortstroke for the first ball but the second pull is at full pressure so it's gonna chop or collide dependin gon how far the ball got on the first shortstroke.

[CpSuPeRkId]

oh yea, duhh i surprise myself wiht how dumb i can be. the reason i wondered is because i dont know if i should buy the lvl 10 for my classic mag because i didnt know if it would help wiht shortstrokes, but now that u reminded me that hte second FULL PRESSURE one causes the break, i see how it will help with scenario 1 shortstroke now( still wont help wiht the scenario 2 shortstroke though but its worth it just to help eliminate scenario 1 because i hate those)

[Pand0ra]

I may be wrong, but even if you short stroke, the bolt is released by the sear, which means the first shot is done at full pressure, hence there's no ball stuck in the barrel. Is it correct?

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[RT_Luver]

Originally posted by Pand0ra
I may be wrong, but even if you short stroke, the bolt is released by the sear, which means the first shot is done at full pressure, hence there's no ball stuck in the barrel. Is it correct?

when you short stroke, the bolt IS released, but you didn't pull the trigger back far enuf for the pin to fully activate in the valve and release all the air and make the bolt move the enitre way. I guess depending on how much you pull the trigger depends on which scenario you end up with. if you pull it REALLY to much, 1 ball is in the breach, and the other is half way loaded. when you pull it just a little to less, booth balls will be loaded in the breach. That was the problem I had, firing it so quickly, that I didn't pull the trigger back TOTALLY, just the majority of the way.

[MagNumPI]

What you guys are describing is Double feeding.. very rare with a mag due to the way it is designed.

Short Stroking is when you do not allow the trigger to come back far enough to re-engage the bolt on sear, what happens is the on/off is opened and fills thew air chamber, when the pressure build to a point where is has more force acting against the spring the bolt shoots out, with enough force to chop a ball but not enough to reach proper velocity, thats why when you short stroke it has a choking sound. The bolt never reaches the sear and a ball is more then likely half way in the breach and you chop the ball.

[MagNumPI]

The LX upgrade will make SS less of a pain, since it doesn't chop.