So I got this cocker...

[Cypres0099]

Maybe I should have posted this in a cocker forum but...eh

First of all I know nothing about cockers so keep that in mind. I got this 99 cocker in a trade, I haven't gotten it yet but he says it needs a new 3 way.

I found a place to get an STO 3 way for $14. Is that worth it or should I get something better even if it does cost quite a bit more.

Or would it be worth it to just go ahead and buy a front end kit. I found an ANS front end kit for $90.

One last thing. Since I don't know anything about autocockers can you tell me some things about basic maintenence and stuff?

Thanks

[mykroft]

STO 3-way is one of the better 4-way's on the market. ANS is junk.

DYE, WGP Adjustable & Palmer 3-Ways are best, STO runs a close second.

Basic maintenance: Run some oil through it, and DFWI.

[Temo Vryce]

The first thing you should do after you replace the 3-way is find someone who knows cockers and and get them to time it for you. Then oil it well after you use it every time and like Mykroft said DFWI or more politely don't mess with it.

[Cypres0099]

I found the WGP (which I was also considering) for $30 more. Is it worth the extra $ over the STO? Also, which one would you personally recomend

[mykroft]

If you don't know much about cockers, I'd go STO, the WGP Adjustables advantage over the STO is easier tweakability.

For me, the WGP Adjustable, for a new cocker owner, the WGP STO 4-Way would be better (Less temptation, excellent performance)

[Cypres0099]

Not like it matter much because I'll probably just get the STO anyway but what does it offer over the stock 3 way. How does a new 3 way change the performance of a gun.

[Skreemer]

if you don't mind spending the money on it go with the Palmer's Quick Switch. I had a STO on my black magic cocker originally and I had a terrible time with it "binding" everytime I moved or bumped the gun it started to vent... also from shooting real firearms I have a bad/good habit of keeping my trigger finger along the side of the gun till I need to fire... again hitting the rod and causing the 3-way to vent... I bought a quick switch and haven't had a problem since...(that was just a long winded testimonial wasn't it?)

[InfinatyBPS]

Bombs are nice, I say get a bomb, it has one of the shortest pulls of any 3 way if not THE shortest, it may leak a little but the o rings are only $.50 which beats the $4.00 WGP o rings...

[Cypres0099]

There is nothing I hate more than a leaking gun so keep that in mind.

[Cypres0099]

I've been looking at a few more 3 ways and I was just wondering, how could the STO 3way be so great if it's half the price of nearly every other one on the market?

Don't pull my leg here, I'm a performance guru. I don't mind spending the extra bucks if it won't crap out on me.

[Snewk]

Shocktech makes good stuff for cockers, so does palmers. I've heard nothing but good stuff about the Bomb and the Palmer's 3 way.

[covadsucks]

Go with the Belsales Angry 3way or the Palmers. The Bomb may be a nice short 3way, but it'll tear o-rings like nothing. Stay away from ANS pnuematics. Go with Palmers, nice and reliable.

This is out of experience with ALL of the aforementioned manufacturers and the parts they make.

[Telefragged]

When you buy an "STO" 4-way valve, you're not buying a WGP part, you're buying a Belsales "Angry" 4-way, nice, short, and buttery smooth. In case you didn't know, as far as 'Cockers go, Belsales Performance = Top knotch gear, some of the finest availible. For $14, a Belsales Angry is a steal! Go for it!

For future reference: AKA, PPS (Palmer), Belsales, and Eclipse make some of the finest 'Cocker stuff around. Kapp makes some nice stuff too, but I absoluetly hate ShockTech, no matter what anyone says...


ANS = Trash for the most part, that's why their pneumatics kits are so cheap.

[Fritzy]

Palmer's

I have the Palmer's quickswitch on mine. It doesn't leak, is quite short, and worked equally well with both a standard 45 and a hinge.

I have always been a big Palmer fan in general. Everyone else tweaks their product every couple years or less, except Palmers. It is a tried and true design.

[Cypres0099]

Is the STO that you said is made by belsale the same thing as the belsale Hollow point? I have been reading a bit and some people say that is a great 3 way.