So I got this cocker...

[liigod]

Originally posted by mykroft
STO 3-way is one of the better 4-way's on the market. ANS is junk.

DYE, WGP Adjustable & Palmer 3-Ways are best, STO runs a close second.

Basic maintenance: Run some oil through it, and DFWI.

this guy know swhat hes talking about, listen to him. ANS = CRRRRRRRRRAPPPPP!

[mykroft]

STO is cheap due to volume, it's the belsales Angry 4-way, not the Hollowpoint. Worth every penny.

Palmers are good but 2 expensive for a non-adjustable 4-way these days, if you've got that much cash to spend, go DYE or WGP Adjustable.

Shocktech bombs work great, if you've got one of the few that work in the first place.


Shocktect makes good drops, cocker bolts & angel bolts, everything else they make is Crap.

[Cypres0099]

Thanks for the help so far. If I've learned on thing it's that ans = CRRRRRRRRRAPPPPPP!

So, I've got it down to the STO/Belsales Angry or if I go the way of adjustable WGP or DYE.

What's so great about adjustable? What do you get to adjust? Trigger length? What?

[hubadlatimmy]

if you are a total guru and want to get your pull as short as possible the BOMB-3 way is the shortest pull on the market.

The WGP adjustable just came out recently so hasn't had that much time to be tested but from what I have seen from looking at them at the chicago open on the new ORACLE cockers they are NICE I would most definately pick one up if I wasn't selling my cocker.

As for what adjustable does for you I am not 100% sure I don't know as much about cockers as others, just enough to get me by.

Another hint get a hinge frame "eclipse" you won't regret it at all.

[Cypres0099]

I think I'm going to stay away from the bomb because as I mentioned before, I HATE LEAKING WITH A PASSION!:)

Oh, and here it is right on time.... the "second guessing" my decisions.

The STO's have a great price, the Hollowpoints are said to be one of teh best and they look great, the Dye's look good too and they're adjustable, and the WGP has a solid name behind it and is also adjustable.

Who knew choosing a 3 way could be so stressful...

Ok, I've got an idea, I'll tell all the features I want (even though I don't know what a 3 way does, really) and then maybe someone can tell me which one would be the best for me. I have dragged this thread on long enough.

1. This is probably the most important, I want it to be reliable. No leaking, no constant broken orings, no breaking.

2. I want it to be smooth...

3. I wouldn't mind a short trigger pull but if I really wanted that I would use my Emag. So pull shortness isn't a necesity.

4. User friendliness. If there is such a thing...

5. I wouldn't mind if it looked cool.:)

6. Of course performance.

Help me end this now! I need resolution!

[Temo Vryce]

Originally posted by Cypres0099

1. This is probably the most important, I want it to be reliable. No leaking, no constant broken orings, no breaking.

4. User friendliness. If there is such a thing...

6. Of course performance.

You want all that in a cocker? #6 I can see if it's setup right and taken care of. #1 and #4 I can't see but then again I've never been a big fan of cocker. As for your 3-way problem. Listen to Mykroft, buy the STO. You'll be happy with it.

[mykroft]

The adjutsability of the new WGP and DYE 3-ways allows you to muck with the 3-way stroke easily, it's a tinker's thing, which will let you set up the absolute shortest pull, if you don't mind fiddling until you get it right.

The STO/Angry 4-way is a short throw, very reliable, very smooth 4-way, and it uses the same basic body as the WGP Adjustable, so it looks the same. For the $$ it's the best 4-way on the market.

[paint magnet]

I know nothing about cockers, but AKALMP stuff is supposed to be pretty good, and it's supposed to make the operating pressure lower if you care about that.

[banzaimf]

Originally posted by Cypres0099
...1. This is probably the most important, I want it to be reliable. No leaking, no constant broken orings, no breaking.

Belsales, Palmer, or Professional paintball Bullit 3way

2. I want it to be smooth....

Belsales, Palmer, or Professional paintball Bullit 3way

3. I wouldn't mind a short trigger pull but if I really wanted that I would use my Emag. So pull shortness isn't a necesity.

Belsales, Palmer, or Professional paintball Bullit 3way

4. User friendliness. If there is such a thing....

Non adjustable.... Belsales, Palmer, or Professional paintball Bullit 3way

5. I wouldn't mind if it looked cool.:)

Belsales Hollowpoint

6. Of course performance.

Belsales, Palmer, or Professional paintball Bullit 3way

Help me end this now! I need resolution!

[Cypres0099]

I knew it was likely I couldn't have all that in a cocker but I can dream can't I?

As Telefragged said, the Belsales angry is a steal at $14. I think I'm going to go with that and use the extra money on paint.:)

Everyone thanks for helping me out. I no know just a little bit more about cockers.

[FatMan]

You know nothing about cockers, you haven't gotten it yet, and it needs a new 3-way.

That is a potential problem in the making. A cocker is a REALLY complicated beast. You need to get some detailed information about how it works. I recommend Ravi Choppra's site (you'll have to search on it) because it has a lot of very good very detailed info on cockers. If the 3-way needs to be replaced right now just get one and do nothing else until you have some idea of what you are doing. There are MANY choices for ALL of the parts out there and their COMBINATION can make a huge difference overall in how your marker shoots. In general you should not make a choice for an individual part, but for the whole package.

Any of the valves described here are good. You can also put a stock valve on there and it should work fine. One approach is to get the cheapest thing you can find, and figure you are going to replace it anyway when you decide what to do with the REST of the gun.

In particular, if you get one of the really short 3-ways but you have a stock trigger and frame, you may find it is hard to get timed. The stock valve is longer and the stock trigger does not have a slot where the timing rod goes into the trigger plate. You CAN time it with a short valve like a Quickswitch, but if you are new to cockers, you may be asking for trouble.

A $14 STO 3-way will probably work fine, and if you decide to put all Palmer pneumatics on later, you're only out $14 (plus you have a back-up 3-way).

You need to learn about your new marker before you start messing with it - so start the research.

BTW, I don't mean to scare you, a cocker is a great gun, you just need to understand it before you modify it. Many, many people don't, and get into trouble!

Good luck,

FatMan

[Cypres0099]

Yes, I was definetly planning on doing some reading. Now I see the STO as being the best choice for me right now just to get it up and running so I can start learning how to use it.

This cocker is looking like it's going to be a little side project for me. That or something to sell if I need the money for my extreme body when they come out.

You know what the funny thing is... I posted this in the cocker section of Pbnation and I haven't even gotten a reply. Then I come here and it's been well worked over.

See this isn't JUST a mag forum.