tournaments, bad for the sport?

[Vegeta]

Scientifically speakin,

Paintball is an extremely easy sport/game to cheat at.
There are more variables in paintball than there are in any other sport. These vary from wind, to temperature, to feild location, to bunker placement, to the ref's perhiprial vision/depth perception... and millions more. Alos, the refs have a lot more to watch for than ordinary sports referee's. Not only does the ref have to watch the player in front of him, he has to watch the player shooting at that player, the player(s) behind the player hes watching, and more. When the ref looks up at who is shooting at the player next to him, the player could easily wipe, or, even more dangerously, thumb up some velocity to get that extra long ball to the other side of the feild, if they take the time to unlock their adjuster. The feild also has so many obsticals and distractions its hard to see everything at once. And to judge the game fairly you almost need to be able to see every player, every bunker, every gun, every hand, foot, and body part possible to judge the gaem correctly. Why? becuase of the reasons above, and hte intensity/speed of the game. After that buzzer/whistle sounds to start the game, you have 6,8, 10, or more players rushing to positions, snap shooting, shooting burts, and spitting paint at 280+ fps and up to 800 rounds per min. If its an air feild (inflatables) you always (as a ref AND player) have the inetitable bounce of a ball. And if the conditions are right, and that player with that angel or emag on the other side of the feild fires a 0 shot burts, and 6 of those shots (will most likely) hit the inflatable bunker in front of/ behind the player you are next to, and, before you knoew it, you get railed by 4 or 5 balls. Thats physics. The player didn't mean it, hopefully. its just how the balls were angled and how you were positions at that time.

So all these distractions go into the factor.

[Geoff Noble]

I think many, Im not saying all tourney players should take a hint from other profesional sports players. Players in baseball dont swear and throw things when they get called out on a bad call (usually).

Here is a common sequnce of events in a tournament scenario.

1. Paintball player runs up to bunker someone, gets hit as he tries to bunker the player, the ref calls him out instead of the player he attempted to bunker.
2. Player proceeds to swear, curse, and fight with the ref about the call.
3. Player walks off the field, and spikes his 1000.00$ paintball gun on the ground, with kids in full view of his disgraceful actions.

Now this doesnt happen all the time, but i have seen it a lot.
In my opinion, people who are hit on a bad call, or if they think it's a bad call, should respect the refs desicion. The
should know that even if he isnt right, he's still the ref, and he still has the right to tell you whether or not you are out.

Another thing that adds to people being agressive in paintball is the amount of adrenaline involved. Poeple are really ecxited when they are in a heated firefight. Then when they get hit, they rally wnat to win and found out they lost. Someon who really wants to win may challenge the call, and adrenaline only adds to it.

I think paintball should be much better if the players respected their ref

[hotty9669]

Why is everyone picking on tournaments here? Is it the fact that people watch them up close so they can see the cheating? If you want to see cheating walk onto a rec field. Usually one or two refs for 15 to 20 players, wiping and playing on everywhere.
Our team does not cheat, yet we have gotten penalties for hot guns, (if you haven't yet you have not been playing long enough) playing on, ( see if you feel a pack hit or a front of the hopper hit when your running full speed to your next bunker). My point here is that even when penalties are called that does not mean there was cheating involved sometimes it is just bad luck or or lack of knowledge.
As far as wiping goes we have never done it or been called for it but I have seen it done, and it does piss me off but a lot of these kids learned it on the rec ball filed. The answer is better reffing or at least more refs on the field so they can catch these things. Or if that doesn't happen shoot them 10 times then count the bruises.

[MagNumPI]

I have played both rec and tourney (rec also means walk on and senarios). Paintball in the woods was how it started, we can't deni that. Touney paintball is the visual side of paintball. You can walk on and watch a tourney , but you can't do that for rec games.


As for cheating, yes there will ALWAYS be cheating, it's all a judgment call on yourself, no one saw that ball hit you, it's under your pack, you can wipe it and get away clean... do you do it? You all say no right off the bat , but think about it long and hard.. now i'm not saying it's a tourney or a rec.. it's just paintball.


There is way to many points of action for the game to be completely cheat free... Football, Baseball, Hockey.. ect ect all have one ball , one point of action. paintball has , at any given time 300 to 400 balls in the air and a multitude of conflics to point the action to.. Thats what makes it so much fun , the insane rush of more then one point of action to get involved in.. If it's played in a field or in the woods.. it's all the same.

Paintball is paintball..

[Mwmathes]

Modern Reffing

Immagine for a minnute with me:

College football Big Ten Championship Game

Purdue Vs. Michigan

Reffing by Kurt Kitner of Illinois
(he's their starting QB)
And by some other ilini players


~What we have here is reffing by other players, right? We both know that this would never work, because Illinois lost to both Michigan and Purdue this year, so the reffing might be a little biased? Or the Purdue Defense sacked Kitner so he's gonna call penalties on Purdue... you can immagine it.

So what college football did was come up with a standard of reffing that is partial to no one. Ref Bob is a Professional Ref, thats all he does! He might play a pick-up game of football on his day off, but he probably isnt allowd to play professionally.



NOW paintball

NPPL Title Game

Avalanche vs. SC Ironmen

Reffing by Lockout


Is this any different from having illinois football team ref a purdue vs michigan game?

There needs to be a clause somewhere in the turnament scene.
Lets say that you win the NPPL title in 2001, for the 2002 season your team cannot compete. You are the reff's for that entire season after you win. The NPPL has to come up with a way for the travel for the reff's to be transported and housed.

Just an idea, im a bit out of my league in tournaments... no place for my phantom. However i could use my 68pfd, but hey its not how i play.


I will see you on the field

MWMATHES


NOTE: all refrences to college football games are immaginary. Illinois won the big ten this year by Beating Purdue, but they lost to Michigan earler in the season.

[carl j. bonta]

Everyone needs to realize that paintball or any sport taken to a high level of competition these things happen on the field. Some people take tourney play seriously, some games have large amounts of money and a lot riding on them, people get out of control sometimes, maybe rec-ball is a better level of play for those who dont like to see that on the field.

As for cheating and luvn from judges, soon in the NPPL there will be professional judgeing, headed up by Bill Cookston.

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