Playing fair...or playing stupid?

[845]

In the NPPL there is an obvious pressure to cheat. When your team has a sponsorship that amounts to 100k from just 1 company there is pressure to win. But if your a no name local tourny team and you cheat you're just being TWiBs

[FooTemps]

Cheating is just plain stupid. Like shartley said, you basically steal the title of winner. I see the pressure which leads to cheating but it still isn't very smart to cheat. If you cheat and get caught in a tournament your team is probably out of the tournament or your team gets reductions. If you do that you're probably going to lose your sponsorship and get a rep as a cheater too. I know there are a lot of damn good cheaters out there. Why bother practice whiping and be the better cheater when you could practice yoru skills and be the better player?

[Bwaites]

Cheating under ANY circumstances during a game is WRONG. If you say, "Well there is a lot of pressure to cheat in NPPL events, because of sponsorship" it is acknowledging that there may be circumstances where it is OK to cheat. There are NONE. Period.

What if your doctor cheated by not giving you a drug that worked well because the one he used was cheaper?

What if your policemen cheated by arresting everyone who had a drivers license because they MIGHT speed? Oops, there is a new movie about something like that, isn't there?

What if, well you get the point. Cheating is WRONG, there is NO gray area. If it is not right, it is wrong.

Shartley, the war analogy stands, war crime tribunals are called by winners who find that the losers have committed atrocities not related to the actual war, but to retribution/oppression against someone. No one prosecutes those who wage war and do so in an attempt to win unless they persecute those who should be noncombatants, IE. the Jews in Germany, the civilian Koreans and Chinese in WWII, etc. No one prosecuted the Americans for using the most horrific weapon unleashed in war against Nagasaki and Hiroshima, because most realized that it was a legitimate way to end the war. Many felt that our bombings of Germany were wrong, as we attacked one factory and village after another attempting to cripple the German war effort, and yet no tribunals for us were called.

We have proved repeatedly, as have other nations, that we will do anything to win as a nation when we feel we are in the right. The problem with Vietnam, and to a lesser extent, Korea, was that we as a country never committed to that idea, as we had in WWII and WWI.

To paraphrase another famous person, I think Admiral Nelson, when asked about how glorious victory was, he said "The greatest tragedy of all, save defeat."

Bill

[FreshmanBob]

Any kind of cheating is always wrong, and it's why i don't plan on playing any local tornies in the future. When people cheat they take away from the enjoyment of the game. It's always sad to see the professional players cheat that set the standard for most things in paintball.

[Bwaites]

FreshmanBob,

So true!

Bill

[blackmag3]

i wish everyone would play ball with honor. if your marked take the walk even if the ref hasnt seen it and called you out. even if i get shot in the back and there isnt a ref around i reach back touch my back and if i feel paint i walk to the dead box. cheating for any reason is more than wrong. i wish players would get fined money or banned for cheating. it's one thing to play on with a hit you didnt feel but to cheat or lie about it is unacceptable. why dont companies pull sponsorship from teams known for cheating? that just makes the company look like they promote cheating. winning is not the most important thing. safety is of course always number one. i'd much rather lose every game i play than cheat and win even once.

[riooso]

People who cheat are losers in at least 2 areas. They accomplish nothing because they do not get the feelings that come with accomplishments. All the people that I grew up with that cheated at everything, and all cheaters cheat at everything, are behind me.

R

[Creative Mayhem]

I knew a team that used to play until the ref called them, playing with obvious hits, etc. This team was sponsored by a local feild, and the owner happened to see some of this, neeless to say, the owner didn't care for the lack of fair play and pulled thier sponsorship. I believe checking or having the ref checking yourself is the honorable thing to do. Not only do you and your team look good, but it reflects well on any sponsors you may have. Oh, did forget to mention you can sleep well after the fact.:) If you cheat, you only cheat yourself.

[lala]

This is simple theres two ways to play playing smart and cheating. Example when your running to your bunker and you fell a hit on you upper body. You could A, IF it broke just slid in and take it off and keep on playing like nothing happen or you can do the SMART thing and that is to slid in to you bunker and if you can see paint where it hit you or you call a ref over to cheack you and he sees paint where you thought it hit you AND you know that paint wasn't there be for CALL YOUR SELF OUT. That way you can still win with out cheating but your still playing to win. Ya know this is the longest thing I ever wrote. Play fair, aggresive, Fast dicipling paint ball and you'll win, with respect.

[rudy]

its a good question is it honest yes is it stupid, well i woudl not say stupid but I understand where the other guy is coming from. If it were up to most people they would say just play clean but there are a few people out there who will win at any cost and they feel that if the ref doesnt catch it its fair. I personally say if the ref caught it, its a penalty if the ref doesnt catch it then its cheating. but the real problem is in the middle all the guys who play and know the other guy will cheat given the chance, so they say why shoudl i lose a game just cause the other guy cheated. fight fire with fire the end result ends up most cheat and very few are still strong enough to not cheat.

my personal view has been jsut get so good that it doesnt matter if they cheat. and that works up to the point where you top out in skill and teamwork or if the refs are way to bad. I know paintball can never be a recognised sport untill we get better reffing and less cheating. I think cheating or playing on with an obvious hit should cost a team the whole game
if its 100 point max it should be a 100 point penalty and a 2 or 3 for 1 make it so it isnt worth the risk. also I think as paintball is filmed more the cheaters some under fire more that will help.

[AngelBoy]

The team that one the Splat-1 Indoors at Harriman were the worst I've ever seen. They were taping the whole tournament. They got caught wiping on tape. Shouldn't the tournament sponsors taken their 1st place?

[Supatravis]

I believe that they should have gotton there first place taken away or atleast did again against the second place team

[Havoc_online]

I always call the refs to me if I get hit and can't see if it broke, just to make sure. I will also correct a ref if someone moves to bunker me or I move to bunker someone and I get hit First but the ref thinks they did and calls them out. I'm all about straight up playing....

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

What really gets to me is the fact that ALOT of teams/players/fields don't look down on cheating. It seems to me that there are so few people that don't see cheating as wrong. Alot of people accept it and don't see anything wrong with it. They allow people to cheat as if nothing happened. They know that people constantly wipe, but they still accept them on their team. If i had a team, and i caught someone wiping, they would be gone. I can only think of like 2 or 3 teams around here that don't cheat. I think our sport in the upper levels is really a horrible place to be. I know a team that actually comes up with stratagies to cheat. Or even if someone knows he's hit, they make a code so that others on the team that aren't hit will call for a check on themselve to draw away the refs from the person that got hit so he can wipe. Are you kidding me? That is rediculous. If that's what it takes to be a "Proffesional" paintball player, count me out, i'll stick to novice.

[AngelBoy]

Originally posted by hostage


CHEATERS ARE LIKE TAMPONS, EVERY PUSSY NEEDS ONE.

HAHA!