More WAS BS.

[Cliffio]

Originally posted by FooTemps
[B]I DO! I just want a gun to wow my friends. That means I want that 30 bps just so they can drooooooool!

you and freek in the same boat

WHOA DUDE YOUR GUN IS SET AT 45BPS, DUDE

gimme a break

i dont understand how people cant see that it means nothing

[FooTemps]

Hahahaha, Didn't you see the jk? All I care about is putting my friends in the deadbox!

[Cliffio]

yeah i saw it

you sugar crazyed foo

[Miscue]

Why is 20 bps important? Cuz slack is good.

Say a gun maxes at 14. Another gun maxes at 20. Which one is more likely to be most reliable at 14 bps? The one that can do 20 bps and is sitting there waiting for the next ball... while the other is running in the red-line. Mechanical things work better when you are not running them to their limit.

You weigh 170 lbs. You wanna stand on suspension bridge that supports 170 lbs? or the one that supports 250?

[SSMercury]

Why do companys worry about bps when they know that nobody will ever shoot that fast?

the answer is simple, because life is a pissing contest.

SO true, sadly.


I am happy that agd is winning right now, then atleast the peole who are into the fastest shooting gun will look into agd and then discover that they have a heck of alot more to offer than bps.

We can only pray.

[manike]

I don't care about who is faster. As long as the gun is faster than me then that is just fine.

I do care A LOT about people making false claims and misleading people into spending more money on something they don't need rather than just getting out and playing.

I do care about hype. If you claim something to promote your product over others then you had better well be able to prove it!

It's like all the guys who claim to have achieved COLD fusion. Doesn't mean jack if you can't prove it to someone! It's all just vaporware.

We are very priveleged here in that AGD backs up a lot of their claims with good scientific data. Most manufacturers do not... because they CAN NOT!

manike

[HyperSnyper]

Originally posted by Cliffio
i wanna know who the hell cares??

no one will EVER be able to shoot that fast so wtf???


what difference does it make if your gun can shoot 50 or a million, or if it makes a neat clickety clack when shot.. who really cares, i think its about time that the players step up and say this is enough, lets spend our time and money perfecting paint or perfecting a good hopper that doesnt cost an arm and a leg


Cliff

Cliff,

One word...

BRAGGING RIGHTS.

Its an amazing phenomenm (sp?) that ppl would rather buy a 40 bps gun over a 30 bps gun even though their trigger finger can only do 10-13. Buying a higher ROF fire gun over their friends (even if they cant use it) relieves alot of insecurity they have stored up within them (damn now I want to sell ym Micro E and just get an all manual RT intelli).

STATUS.

Another word. Image seems be a big part of paintball and all other hobby related industries. Look at racing. Would you rather have a Hennesey Viper with 200+ mph top speeds and well over 400 horsepower, or a Honda Civic Si 160 base horsepower and top speeds of maybe 140. Either way you're gonna be driving to work on the freeway going only 60 mph... but something tells me you'd rather have the Viper.

-Hyper

[Vern1]

Greetings,
Coming from the Timmi side, I see it as humorous.

Sure, I would like to be able to say: This Timmi right here is the fastest thing ON EARTH - it even outshoots a mini-gun. Just like any Brand X owner would like to say about theirs.

Shooting - and I use that term loosely - on FULL AUTO looks cool and is good to demonstrate or fully test the capabilities of a marker or hopper or warp, but has no use in a real paintball game.
They only allow semi-auto on insured fields and in tourneys, so why not concentrate on making it go fast in that mode?
Because that takes practice and money.
Some people can't afford to actually practice and make their fingers work that fast, so they have to have a crutch - the "gazillion BPS capability" of the marker - but, it MAY ACTUALLY help your mindset in a game. And the mental side of a game is still a big part of it.

The only people who will win in this argument are the paint manufacturers.

Will I get a WAS board for my Timmi? Definately Yes!
But I am also looking for an EMag to "play around with" - WAIT!! DID I JUST SAY THAT?????

[Dragoon]

Manike hit the nail on the head.

Hype is worth squat. Prove what you can say or don't say it. The trouble with paintballers on the whole is they are willing to beleive whatever they hear as long as the sorce is "offical". Paintballers need to be more questioning. If everybody was then AGD would be the top dog in town.

Douglas

[i-luv-my-rt]

Originally posted by Webmaster
Ill tell you why 20bps is better than say 13 - or 9...

sure you can maybe only keep up a 10-13 pbs rof consistantly - but what about BURSTS.

This game is often won by bursts. Who can get out, shoot, and get back in. When i burst I can spaz my hand and get one hell of good amount of paint out the end of the gun. How many do you get? 3? 5? 8? During that split second burst, that one extra ball just increases your chances of nailing your opponent... thats one reason why its important.

Webby- I somewhat agree with that statement.

I play with an amatuer A team that shoots all slide frame cockers. They snapshoot like hella good. We practice against Lockout(shooting raceguns), shockwave UK(matrix LCD's), and yea they can shoot more but we make those shots count. To me ROF doesnt really matter. I worry more about getting my gun tuned in and getting it consistent.

That is just me, it takes alot of practice to snap really good. It is easier as you say webby to through alot more paint at them and you have a better chance.

Cliffio- again you have come back with the great idea's. Again I agree with you, I can't shoot my angel close to as fast as my emag but it just work better for me in every game condition, the his ROF's arent needed.

[Vegeta]

I woudl MUCH rather have paint costs cut down than have a faster shooting gun. I can barely afford PB, and it is mostly because of paint.After we get over hte hurdle of expensive paint then maybe more people will want faster guns...

[Vegeta]

not that we don't want faster guns now....

but I mean I personally would not be able to afford to get electro and still play. Yes, I have the cahs for the gun, but I cannot afford the paint I shoot with it.

Paintball used to cost me about 7 bucks a day when I used a Talon with a 45 round hopper and a 200 round thing of paint from wal mart. I could afford that every weekend. Three years have gone by and I now need about 70$ a day minimum to play.

And paint is 90% of that. 7% is field costs and 3% is air.

[SSMercury]

Bragging rights is two words Hyper.

Actually, I don't think AGD would be the top company in paintball if everyone was well informed. Historically, mags DID chop paint more often than X marker, because you have to watch the trigger pull. And they had shootdown. Now, I don't think there's one thing that AGD hasn't solved that was a problem that plagued their guns. First was HPA, then the RT/retrovalve, and the level 10 pretty much let's you have all the fun you want. Oh, and all the other goodies like the Warp Feed. So, yeah, AGD would probably be best now, above and beyond the best if the level 10 had come out say 5 years ago.

However, I'm also in the cheaper quality paint group. I personally prefer some 55.00 case stuff. I'd LIKE to see it closer to 40.00 per case.

[bigsarge72]

I still say most people are legends in their own minds when it comes to how fast they can actually shoot. I'm always reading about guys who are ripping strings of "12-14 balls per second". Ok, right. Let's see, say it together:
One-thousand one.
Did you just twitch your finger 14 times? Could you do it several times in a row?
I agree, once they hit 20bps, which no human being will ever hit, they should have started figuring out ways to make their markers cheaper without degrading the quality of the marker. That would be a better investment of their time and research dollars in my opinion.
Also, I'm all for the cheaper paint thing, although, when I started playing in '87, my friends and I used to split cases (we also shot less using splatmasters and PGPs), because it was more economical per hundred, but it still cost $100-$125 per case of 2500 rounds.
$60 for premium paint seems pretty cheap now-a-days.

[i-luv-my-rt]

I get paint at about 30-35 bux a case so paint prices dont bother me.

I would pick a more accurate/consistent gun over a faster gun!!!