mags weak?

[FrAuStY]

I've never seen those before..but all I can say is....I'm picking carpet fuzz outta my bottom lip. My jaw hit the floor when I saw that lol. It's sooo impressive...I saved those pics to my webstorage for future cocker bashing

[Ov3rmind]

Holy crap in a hat! Now that's durability! Now I wan't a Mag even more (just need to find a way to get a vertical feed Classic)....

[confedman75]

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[cphilip]

confedman75... a word of advice...your constant attempts to create posts that are sarcasticly bashing Mags has not gone unnoticed by me and many others. As far as I am concerned this is not wanted here. Trying to start a flame war every time you post is better kept to another forum. let me tell you in spite of how smug you may be and think your going over our heads your not that clever. I do not know why you would come here and keep digging to start trouble. We have always been good to you and not jumped you on anything. It's just dam rude what you are doing lately. I not going to humor you much longer. Straighten up and be a part of the group or get out. Hear me?

[pbguy888]

*cricket*cricket*

[Ov3rmind]

cphilip lays down the law.....

[HoppysMag]

you tell em Phill! .

[DaosBeoulve]

heh!

Originally posted by pbguy888
*cricket*cricket*

Anyone else find that as utterly hilarious as I did?

Oh, just me?

[confedman75]

cphilip im being serious you know how steel is heavier than aluminum and how steel is much stronger? well i was thinking since that tippmanns were heavier that they were more durable did i say "mags suck compared to tipps"? i did not say that and i did not mean that to come across what so ever. i just asked a question in no way wanting to bash/flame/spam mags. So sorry again if the message came across wrong.

[rjvemt1]

*cricket*cricket*

aaahaahhahahahhhahaaaahhahahhahah ha!

phil, i have to take serious issue with part of what you said.

Straighten up and be a part of the group or get out. Hear me?

'be part of the group' come on now![list=1][*]mag owners usually are NOT part of THE GROUP[*]we (agd lifers) can refute all nay-sayers with logic alone. those two pics are 'nuff said'[/list=1]

[FooTemps]

Originally posted by confedman75
cphilip im being serious you know how steel is heavier than aluminum and how steel is much stronger? well i was thinking since that tippmanns were heavier that they were more durable did i say "mags suck compared to tipps"? i did not say that and i did not mean that to come across what so ever. i just asked a question in no way wanting to bash/flame/spam mags. So sorry again if the message came across wrong.

No problem man, we're kinda edgy most of the time anyways... lol

Steel is much stronger than aluminum and that's why the mag is lighter. You can use less steel and still have it be stronger than heavier aluminum body.

[Army]

Tippy's are die-cast aluminum. This creates a much thicker/heavier wall. Nearly all other aluminum guns are made of aircraft grade aluminum, which can be machined to precise tolerances to become very light, yet incredibly strong due to engineering.

All 'Mags that are not aluminum, are made of stainless steel with aluminum and graphite parts.

Yes, steel is stronger than aluminum, but not because it's heavier, but by molecular structure. Weight has nothing to do with structural strength. If that were true, we would all play with markers made of lead:)

Cast metal has a molecular structure that is very jumbled, much like a crumpled piece of paper. Machined aluminum, has a molecular structure more like a new, flat sheet of paper. There isn't much you can do to cast metal to make it strong, other than to make it thick. It will still be brittle though, as any stress from any direction can interrupt the molecular structure. Machining metal results in a molecular structure that is not unlike a folded sheet of paper, where the folds give the paper rigidity, like a bridge truss.

Since the "grain" of the metal is aligned while being machined, it is able to accept stresses from all directions and attitudes, despite the thinness engineered into the physical structure. The metal remains strong, as long as the molecules continue to be aligned and joined like a chain.

The same properties applies to steel too. This is why the steel 'Mag body can be thin and strong, but the Tippy aluminum body must be thick to be strong.

Not to mention, that much of the Tippy internals are steel and brass, which add to the markers overall weight.

As for graphite, it's structure is a tight chain not only of the plastic itself, but it is interlaced with fibreglass threads which bind the plastic from all directions. Whatever stress is introduced, causes the fibres to grasp in a chain across itself. In other words, If you pull on one side of a graphite structure, the stress is sent throughout the structure. This is how Tom was able to lift the Miata with a plastic frame, the entire frame became the lifting point, not just where the cables were attached. You could not do that with a Tippy frame, nor any other marker out there.




Now, quit saying stupid stuff about 'Mags. Because you too, now know......

[steveg]

You could not do that with a Tippy frame, nor any other marker out there.

Army you are of course factually correct but your conclusion is wrong.
ultimatly what limits a markers ability to lift a miata, is nothing more that cross sectional area
and thread pullout strength.

to start with a miata weights about 2300lbs not much in the grand scheme of things.

a look at my 26th addition Machinery's Handbook shows that
the weakest permanent mold aluminum has a yield strength of
6000psi (alloy B443.0)

I no longer have a tippmann but I suspect that there is a
greater the 1/3 in/2 continuous section from body to grip

the strongest permanent mold aluminum is 42000psi ( alloy 354)
The most commonly used diecast aluminum is alloy 380 it has
a yield strength of 23000 psi or 10 maitas per 1"x1" bar

6061-T6 the aluminum that is most used in aircraft as well
as being the most common commercially available, has a yield
strength of 40000psi in ather words a 1"x1" bar could safely lift 17.4 2300lb miata's.

[cphilip]

Thanks for explaining that confedman75. OK I will give you the benefit of the doubt when you show that you realy mean it by removing that offensive hidden message in the black box. I will give you some time to see this message and remove it and then I will have to enforce the rules about challenging the curse filter and such.

[shartley]

Originally posted by cphilip
Thanks for explaining that confedman75. OK I will give you the benefit of the doubt when you show that you realy mean it by removing that offensive hidden message in the black box. I will give you some time to see this message and remove it and then I will have to enforce the rules about challenging the curse filter and such.

incredibly