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  • thevilduk
    I will eat you!
    • Aug 2002
    • 134

    #1

    We are kingman, we suck and we know it

    Check this out... my friend and I wrote a letter to kingman because we got so annoyed at them. Ya i know we were mean in a couple parts of the letter but we were venting... so they wrote back and did not really answer any of our questions
    James and alex,
    Thank you for your concern. It is nice to here from adult in the paintball
    industry. The Kingman International customer base is, for the most part,
    ages 8 to 22. Entry level to med-range players. We believe that starting
    players at a young age will help them to grow into the sport and moving on
    to some of the high dollar equipment from other manufacturers like Air Gun
    Designs. We do have a very different opinion on the paintball industry
    contributors. But that's what makes the United States of America so great,
    we can agree to disagree and still make a very comfortable living. Knowing
    your market is the key to a successful business, we believe we know our
    place in the paintball industry, and we are very comfortable being the
    largest privately owned paintball manufacturer in the world, not to mention
    all the marketing, promotions and giveaways that Kingman International does
    that has moved paintball into the number three position of main stream
    sports, behind skateboarding and inline skating. This information comes
    from the SGMA (Sporting Goods Manufacturers Association).
    Keeping our sport, the sport of paintball, growing into mass appeal will
    ensure that we all have a successful future.
    Thank you for your time, and lets get more people out to play paintball,
    Rick

    -----Original Message-----
    From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
    Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 4:32 PM
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: Time for some innovation

    For Sales at Kingman USA -
    Recently, I was viewing your company's selection of "new" markers. I was
    disgusted to find one recurring fact, they are virtually all the same. One
    example comparing the so-called "Spyder Java" and the Agressor. They look
    disturbingly the same and the feature list very similar. The only true
    innovation i have seen from you is the em1. Which is still a stacked tube
    blowback. And not only do you keep the same design but you don't even bother
    to modify the markers. For example making a low pressure blowback. And the
    only variences in your guns are an electric grip, beaver tail, rear cocking,
    crappy regulator, virtical feed and low pressure chambers. Lets not forget
    milling and anodizing. Overall, I am very unhappy with these recent
    additions to what was once a prominent company in the world of Paintball
    sports. Now lets compare you to another paintball company... AGD.... what
    have they come up with? Well the Power feed, the AUTOMAG an entirly
    different firing design, flatline reg, the warp feed the RT the fastes
    recharging valve system on the face of the earth and of course the best
    paintball modification of the year... the level 10 for the mag. Unlike you
    they actually make quality products in chicago not CHINA! In fact you are
    the only paintball company i know of that has not contributed anything to
    the sport of paintball.
    Concerned-
    James and alex
  • magman007
    I <3 my Penis
    • Jun 2001
    • 7579

    #2
    haha thats great, they were like we contribute, seee look! see??? !


    Edit: those guys are right too. My first marker was a kingman. I could have gotten a pirahana and such but i didnt. it was a spyder. Now i do awcknowledge that they are overboard, and have way too many markers out, but who cares, let em be. In response to my above comment, i realized that they did contribute to paintball, just not the same way agd has. I just liked how they were like lok, we contributed see? and you kno waht? they have contributed more than you have to paintball.
    Last edited by magman007; 08-31-2002, 03:51 PM.



    Originally posted by Tom in reffrence to a post saying he acted like my dad...
    "That's right!
    WHO'S YOUR DADDY!!"
    ALL QUIT AND NO GO!!! Team Icky Forest-Shatnerball 2003!!!
    www.tunamart.com
    DONT SUPPORT HYPOCRITICAL MISSLEAD YOUTH, BOYCOTT HK

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    • Ov3rmind
      Speechless
      • Nov 2001
      • 2637

      #3
      For Sales at Kingman USA -
      Recently, I was viewing your company's selection of "new" markers. I was
      disgusted to find one recurring fact, they are virtually all the same. One
      example comparing the so-called "Spyder Java" and the Agressor. They look
      disturbingly the same and the feature list very similar. The only true
      innovation i have seen from you is the em1. Which is still a stacked tube
      blowback. And not only do you keep the same design but you don't even bother
      to modify the markers. For example making a low pressure blowback. And the
      only variences in your guns are an electric grip, beaver tail, rear cocking,
      crappy regulator, virtical feed and low pressure chambers. Lets not forget
      milling and anodizing. Overall, I am very unhappy with these recent
      additions to what was once a prominent company in the world of Paintball
      sports. Now lets compare you to another paintball company... AGD.... what
      have they come up with? Well the Power feed, the AUTOMAG an entirly
      different firing design, flatline reg, the warp feed the RT the fastes
      recharging valve system on the face of the earth and of course the best
      paintball modification of the year... the level 10 for the mag. Unlike you
      they actually make quality products in chicago not CHINA! In fact you are
      the only paintball company i know of that has not contributed anything to
      the sport of paintball.
      Calm down, Kingman is in the market for new players, they aren't here to make new technology advancements and to WOW everyone. AGD is here for the tourney players, it's a different group of people. I can also think of MANY other companies that haven't contributed to paintball, so stop picking on them. The fact is, they make low end guns, and they do that right. The reason they're made in China and are all so similar, is to make them cost effective, giving an alternative to the Tippmann for newer players. You also need to get some of your facts straight: The EM1 is NOT a blowback, it's a true electropneumatic.

      EDIT: I actually thought their reply was well written. Like I said before, they're here for new players, not to make state of the art equipment.
      Converge Kills

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      • magsRus
        Lost Boys
        • Jul 2001
        • 1706

        #4
        If it wasnt for kingman I'm willing to bet at least 30% of all paintballers wouldnt be playing because their first gun was a kingman marker.
        "You dont need to be so shallow, turn your head prepare to follow"-CKY

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        • shartley
          paintball player
          • Mar 2001
          • 9169

          #5
          We are kingman, we suck and we know it

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          its more like a paper cut that has primadonna's yelling murder... - Glickman

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          • BajaBoy
            Registered User
            • Jun 2002
            • 2158

            #6
            i onlt skimmed thru some of that but i dont understand why u snapped at them? i think there guns are great.. maybe they dont want to try n top agd wpd.. wgp.. and sell ALOT of 99-290$ guns insted.. i sure know that when i got my first gun it was a Tl plus bc no way my dad was gunna buy me a 300 mag n such
            RT
            Ace'd Emag (sold)
            Xmag (sold)

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            • Coaster
              Registered User
              • Apr 2002
              • 421

              #7
              Re: We are kingman, we suck and we know it

              Originally posted by autoduk
              The only true innovation i have seen from you is the em1. Which is still a stacked tube
              blowback.
              Sorry buddy, the EM1 is a full-fledged electropneumatic gun. This is nothing near a "low" end gun.

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              • HoppysMag
                Hoppy's en Fuego!!!
                • Oct 2001
                • 3494

                #8
                ya i would have to say the EM1 is mid level... ( stock mag,cocker)... i wrote a similar letter to BE... but i had examples and evidence to support them.... but they didnt even reply...
                "You have not converted a man because you have silenced him." -John Morley

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                • agdemagman69
                  hehe 69 ^
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 896

                  #9
                  Ive shot an em1 and its worse than the 2000 compact (and the compact shoots faster too)

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                  • magman007
                    I <3 my Penis
                    • Jun 2001
                    • 7579

                    #10
                    what is wrong with you agdmagman69? the em1.s are like bushies, there verry fast, and actually capabale or 20 bps. and they have a pretty nice trigger on em
                    Last edited by magman007; 08-31-2002, 10:54 PM.



                    Originally posted by Tom in reffrence to a post saying he acted like my dad...
                    "That's right!
                    WHO'S YOUR DADDY!!"
                    ALL QUIT AND NO GO!!! Team Icky Forest-Shatnerball 2003!!!
                    www.tunamart.com
                    DONT SUPPORT HYPOCRITICAL MISSLEAD YOUTH, BOYCOTT HK

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                    • KamikazeChiKenz
                      mmm, mmm, good
                      • Apr 2002
                      • 492

                      #11
                      Guys Guys Guys

                      Chill out, who cares if they wrote a slam letter to Kingman. I was not satisfied w/ their products when I used them but I have several friends that are somewhat new to paintball and love their Spyders. If they want to slam Kingman so what, I'm sure they didn't hurt anybodys feelings.
                      I'm also sure that if you did this you would be happy-> Paintball.com wrote:"Brimstone Smoke competed in the IAO 5 Man Amateur event and won first place and took home $50,000. To win this prize that was sponsored by Kingman International all they had to do was shoot Spyder markers and win their division."

                      Now tell me that is not helping paintball out. Kingman may not make products up to AGD's standards (that we all love) but for well under $200 you can get one of there markers brand new and start playing paintball.
                      Just my two cents


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                      • rhetor22
                        Mag Lover (not that way)
                        • Nov 2001
                        • 1207

                        #12
                        my friend has a shutter with a booyah and some other things on it, its one nice marker. It does have a few velocity problems sometimes, but thats probably me being used to over-caring for my markers.

                        His gun is much more stable than my mag. (we both use co2)

                        considering that automags were created when hpa was not introduced into the world of paintball, Mags suck. Without expansion chambers and remotes or just jumping to HPA, the guns are horribly unreliable in cold weather, or when you fire fast. Spyders don't usually have that problem.

                        Don't go bashing Kingman because their gun lines look the same.. thats just stupid. When you buy a car you have about 3 different base models which each have their own pointless trim work. Same with the spyders.

                        If you had bought a gun and it blew up and burnt your house down, then send them a letter.


                        My truck is louder than yours. A lot louder.

                        Good Traders: JT2002, LawFox32, Gizmolax32

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                        • Skoad
                          Registered User
                          • Feb 2002
                          • 3265

                          #13
                          I thought it was pretty immature and their goal of "looking cool" failed

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                          • Sinnet
                            Sin Wang
                            • Jun 2002
                            • 567

                            #14
                            very well said shartley, my thoughts exactly...

                            I wonder why autoduk isn't responding?

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                            • autoduk
                              I will eat you!
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 134

                              #15
                              sorry guys....

                              im not responding because i was working... and yes i know i am 15 and so is alex... the other person who "slammed" kingman. Ya it was immature no i did not edit it to make it look and sound better and im sure almost half the stuff i put in there is false because yes i am 15. And i started playing paintball at 13. As i hope you all know knowledge and wisdom come with age. I do not have a lot of age therefor not a lot of wisdom. Anyways, so we slammed kingman, but we had fun... what can i tell ya, we were bored. We felt like being dicks... and im sure that guy who replyed felt like being one back

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