how fast is an RT?

[boomerfoxtrot]

I have a minimag RT w/ Z-Grip..etc... I don't have lvl 10 yet, but YET is the word there... I just bought myself a Mag RT w/ Z-Grip too... I am going to put lvl 10 in both.The recharge rate is 26bps, with warpfeed coming off a HALO B ... how fast will my RTs fire? 20+?

[HoppysMag]

faster than you can pull the trigger! i donno... but its plenty fast.

[boomerfoxtrot]

the good thing about RTs you can get away with not having to pull the trigger like everyone eles... =]

I can shoot faster then I can pull... cause of the bounce

[magman007]

ok the trigger bounce that your describing sounds like runaway, not the normal rt bounce back. runaway isnt cool, and the valve isnt meant to do that

[boomerfoxtrot]

so "sweet spoting" the RT and "run away" on the RT are the same?

[TRIAD]

technically, sure. because sweetspotting is finding the place where you can get runaway, but runaway will happen no matter where you pull it. but if it isn't set up for runaway, the sweet spot will not be FULL runaway, just hefty bounce.

[magman007]

no, they are the same thing, it is fa, and it is illegal, sweetspotting is runaway mode, it is just controled

[boomerfoxtrot]

so as for the gun, is "runaway" bad? I know it's bad for game play cause it's like playing in a different LCD mode.. and it's not semi...

but for the gun... is it bad?

I know it's hard on the springs, and seer... other then that...

[Jack & Coke]

...so "sweet spoting" the RT and "run away" on the RT are the same?

It's a matter of semantics.

You can call it whatever you want.

When I think of "runaway", I think of "uncontrolled", "out of control"... as in a "runaway" train, or a "runaway" disel truck speeding downhill without brakes.

It's something you can not stop. Like modifying the sear on a Spyder so that the only way it will stop is to wait until all the air runs out.

If I can control the trigger so that it shoots rapidly when I want it to, and to stop when I want it to, then it is called "sweet spoting".

"sweet spot" refers to effortless and ideal execution. Like the "sweet spot" on a golf swing, tennis racket, baseball swing, the "sweet spot" on the RT is the ideal spot where you can get it to fire effortlessly.

If you are the type to have a hissy fit over what it is called, then call it whatever you want. If you don't care for the "sweet spot" term, then consider this, the term "simulated full auto" is more appropiate to the RT than the term "run away".

On a side note: Just because everyone calls it one way doesn't mean they're correct. I hear countless people ignorantly refer to this as a "clip":



...the correct name for this is a "magazine".

This is a "clip":



There is a difference...

But this has not stopped people from incorrectly refering to it as such...

Call it anything you want! LOL

[rx2]

Aaaargh.

I can't begin to tell you how many writers in large publications often interchange "clip" and "magazine." Also, I always get irritated when they interchange the terms in movies.

Sorry about ranting, but that is one thing that has always bugged me. Call it anal, but even at ten I knew the differenence.

[HoppysMag]

[boomerfoxtrot]

otherwise,

sweetspoting is being able to go into full auto and stop when you release the trigger....

runway is what my gun is doing right now, and untill I get the right on/off pin lengh... it keeps going after I let lose of the trigger...

correct? if so... then , how fast is the gun shooting when I "sweet spot" it?

[rx2]

Jack and Coke made an analogy between how firing operations and magazines. He was demonstrating how the everyday useage of certain terms is incorrect.

Also, the definitions you listed are vague. If you are familiar with the operation of firearms, clips and magazines are quite different. Clips do nothing but hold rounds in place. If these are to be used with a repeating firearm, usally one strips the rounds from the clip and feeds them into a fixed magazine in the firearm. This magazine is spring-loaded, and it feeds the rounds to be chambered. The clip has no moving parts other than a tension-plate that keeps the rounds in the clip. Sometimes the whole clip is placed in the magazine. But at no time does the clip do anything other than hold rounds.
A magazine is spring-loaded, and whether removable or not, it feeds rounds to be chambered. So, technically, they aren't really interchangeable.

Although, bringing in the definition of a magazine as a storage facitility for armament and explosives does provide a good example of the imprecision of the English language, which seems to be one of the points Jack and Coke was bringing up.

[HoppysMag]

yes i am fimaliar with guns, but, as you said the, average mans definition is that they are the same because of vaige discriptions... that is what i am trying to say... people who dont know guns get confused cause the definitions are similar. thats like taking a person who doesnt know paintball and asking them what the diffrences are of a mag and a cocker ( Besides physical aspects) see what i mean...

[rx2]

I wasn't sure where you were going. Although, I do often hear people who should know better make egregious errors in regards to proper use of terminology.
In any case, the key word is vague. Of course, we wouldn't have these problems if we were speaking German or Japanese.

BTW,
I remembered that the original poster indicated that the recharge rate of an RT valve allows for 26 cps. The RT valve is actually capable sustaining much higher rates of fire, due to the fact that it regulates down and has an extreme recharge curve. The 26 listed is probably due to the fact that the AGD crew was unable to get a higher rate out of the testing apparatus they were using at the time the RT was developed. Now, there may be a different reason, but whatever the case may be, it has shown to be able to exceed that easily.