how fast is an RT?

[Jack & Coke]

rx2, well done!

In short:

"sweet spot" = full-auto (full control)

"run away" = full-auto (no control) <= dangerous

[shartley]

[rx2]

I understand your opinion, and I realize that everyday languange need not gross specificities in order to be effective (although people like Wittgenstein might differ). Translations from other languages are often very loose, yet they get the job done, so, imprecision in usage between two people speaking the same language is often of no consequence. I think that some people (such as with your using marker in place of gun) just wish not to put any more fuel on the fire, so to speak, when it comes to ignorance toward paintball markers, and the industry in general.

The average refs or council at many tournaments are not alwyas the most educated. Calling what happens with the RT "runaway" may be more likely to dissuade someone from using allowing the use of RT valves in competition. Whether or not it is justified, the term "runaway" does come with a slight negative connotation that, like it or not, will bear weight with some officials.

It doesn't have to be logical, because minds aren't logical; they are driven by emotion. Countless studies have demonstrated that things such as terminology, appearance, and portrayal, may all skew the opinions of people, despite facts. That is one reason facts haven't been able to shoot down the myths of distance and accuracy.

Or, consider this. A lightning bug (or firefly), when examined closely, has a morphology similar to that of a cockroach. However, a lightning bug has an abdomen that lights up, and has a striking coloration, while a cockroach is a dull, crawling insect. Furthermore, cockroaches are equated with pestilence and filth. Also, the lightning bug has a whimsical name.

Now, taken indivivually, neither will harm you (although the coloration of the lightining suggests it secretes chemicals that have a bitter taste). However, if you were to take one of each specimen and present it to the average person, he or she would be fine handling the lightning bug, but woiuld most likely be throroughly disgusted by the cockroach. Is there any logical reason? No, but conditioning, appearace, and even terminology play a role in making someone so frightened of a harmless insect.

So, to suggest that Jack and Coke is going overboard with his picking apart the terms used to describe what happens with RT valves may be in fact a little bit hasty, and overboard itself. He doesn't want a negative portrayal of the valve, which may be inevitable, but the terminology chosen to describe how it functions will certainly shape how people in the position to ban it will feel towards it.

Finally, I need not reflect. I KNOW I am being way to picky with the use of magazine versus clip! I KNOW it is of no consequence to me whether or not they are used correctly! But, just as some people cannot get over phobias of insects, or allowing terminology to sway opinion, I get agitated when people use certain terms incorrectly. However, I usually let it pass, unlike some who constantly pick apart punctuation, grammar, and style in every post they come across. One rant in seven months isn't too bad, is it?

Whatever the case may be, I apologize, for the original poster's question hasn't been answere in any of these last few posts.

[shartley]

[Jack & Coke]

rx@ is right again!

...because minds aren't logical; they are driven by emotion...

Shartley, you are obviously against reactive trigger actions, and that's your right and perogative. That's ok.. :) I'm not trying to make you accept them nor am I trying to make them more accepted by tournaments.

I choose to call it "sweet spotting" because I believe that is technically more correct than "run away".

That's all.

Also,

...And since the RT Pro (and any AGD RT marker) was not designed to shoot that way (sweet spotting), I advise against making it do so...

I wonder how well Butterfinger's Uber RT is feeling...

Originally posted by Butterfingers
the input is only 850...my sear has over 40,000 rds in it its like new...yes there is a way to do it without damaging somthing :)

[shartley]

I have not had to do this in some time, but it seems that you are forcing me to Jack and Coke.

Shartley, you are obviously against reactive trigger actions, and that's your right and perogative. That's ok.. I'm not trying to make you accept them nor am I trying to make them more accepted by tournaments.

I choose to call it "sweet spotting" because I believe that is technically more correct than "run away".

That's all.

"sweet spot" = full-auto (full control)

http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...threadid=47925

[Jack & Coke]

Damn dude, that's one high horse you ride on...

You post as though I have some beef with you. I was merly stating the obvious. No need to be so defensive... I told you it was OK for you to be against RT's.

Maybe I did misread you, but when I read post after post after post of your take on the RT, it's clear to me how you feel. I don't know, everyone else reading this thread, did I misread shartley's negativity towards sweet spotting the RT?

I'm really sorry if I made the wrong call. I'm sure things would be much more clear is you and I where discussing this face to face.

We have different opinions and positions ragarding sweet spotting the RT. That's ok. Let's please leave it at that and return this thread back to boomerfoxtrot.

If you wish to continue this debate, please PM me instead.

Too much drama for one night.

[Red Winger]

Wow, this is getting a little tense in here. Maybe you two should get your "guns" with your "runaway" triggers and grab a "clip" of paintballs and have a ten pace shoot out to relieve a little hostility. Excuse my grammar and spelling as I know that I'm not a genius, just a soul who cares about getting my point across without regard to the minor stuff that is being fought over in this thread. I hope you dont take this as hostile fire but just a little reality check on what you are argueing over. It is rather amusing though.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Jack & Coke
Damn dude, that's one high horse you ride on...

You post as though I have some beef with you. I was merly stating the obvious. No need to be so defensive... I told you it was OK for you to be against RT's.

Maybe I did misread you, but when I read post after post after post of your take on the RT, it's clear to me how you feel. I don't know, everyone else reading this thread, did I misread shartley's negativity towards sweet spotting the RT?

I'm really sorry if I made the wrong call. I'm sure things would be much more clear is you and I where discussing this face to face.

We have different opinions and positions ragarding sweet spotting the RT. That's ok. Let's please leave it at that and return this thread back to boomerfoxtrot.

If you wish to continue this debate, please PM me instead.

Too much drama for one night.

[314159]

i personally think that you can shoot better without fully automatic/sweet spotting/runaway.... whatever you want to call it.

next time you are in a car, look out the window at the dotted lines that seperate the lanes. as you drive past themm try taping something every time that dotted line is at a certain point (like under the mirror, front of the car...) you should have a fairly easy time taping every time a line in the median crosses that point you have selected.

now try tapping at a fixed speed (mimicing automatic fire), notice that unless you are taping very fast, you are not hitting many of the lines.

now see what happens when you fit this model to firing a paintball gun in a paintball game.

[pballguy17]

My, i don't remeber who actully started ths thread, but i do belive the question asked was, about how fast can an RT shot while "sweet spoting" "runing away" or whatever it's "technically" called, pulling the trigger so that the gun fires without have to make a concuis movement of the finger forward than backward.

[boomerfoxtrot]

yeah, the question I wanted answered, that hasn't been yet..

how fast can the rT shoot paint?

with runaway, sweetspotting or whatever...

what is the fastest it will shoot... say with Warpfeed and Halo B feeding it... ?

I don't care what you call it.... to me.. it's shooting fast..

[Havoc_online]

ok that's it I'm jumping in here forget what it's called, the valve can do TRIPLE what you pull.

26BPS is how fast the valve can recharge with the recommended pressure(consistent to the gun)

If you up your input, the valve can recharge quicker and is capable of firing in high 30's probably low 40's. In the Paintball world, the valve will never be what limit's the gun, it will be your airsorce and of course loader.

There is no set ROF in "Run-away" or "Sweet-spotting" the gun will be cycling according to it's settings and tolerances so don't expect a straight answer.

The Question is not how fast can the RT fire, but how fast can it be loaded. In the case of a HALO B, suposedly 22BPS

Have your questions been answered yet?????????

[shartley]

20+ bps. As fast as the loader can feed paint, it will shoot paintballs. That simple. It will CYCLE faster than that, but to be honest, unless you can feed paint at that speed, it is pretty much just numbers.

Know that with the AGD RT Valve you will be able to not only keep up with any loader on the market, but also do so with NO shoot down.

So, you should not worry too much about how fast the marker will shoot, but more how fast of a loading system you can attach to it, and then how fast can you either pull the trigger, or "sweet spot" it. With AGD (and even more so with LX) the issue is now not one of "marker abilities" but "loader abilities".

I hope that gives you a better answer, and one more in line with what you were wanting to know. If you wanted HARD numbers, look to the loading speeds of the loaders you plan on using.

(Thanks Havoc... you and I were typing at the same time. LOL)

[boomerfoxtrot]

thanks...

so the Halo B is claimming to feed faster /as fast as/ the Warp Feed? 22bps?

If so, then if I put a warp feed and a halo b on, will it feed faster then that..?

cause out of the break if I could have my RT on the back line pulling 22bps It would rock, and with no shoot down... the balls wouldn't start dropping and rolling on the ground...

The only thing now is, the level going into my rT is 1,000psi (that's what the gauge on the gas through said) so I'm guessing my tank's output is 1,000psi...

is this good..? need to be lower? higher?