What do you think of the z valve From Galactic systemz Inc.?

[A.T.S]

Daydpring, Do you have a retro mag? If so would you please look at the on off pin and tell me if it is strate like the one in the clasic or if it expands like the one in the z valv. Ill bet it looks more like the z valv.the diferent pin shape is what makes it reactive.

[A.T.S]

I would nead a 68ci 4000psi tank to last as long as my 20oz co2 200 bucks I do not play at near a fill station so air has to last all day.

[TRIAD]

Alright. You came, asked for advice, and now try to deny what we tell you. Look, here are the facts:

1. Don't buy aftermarket non-AGD parts. Many void warranties, and all offer little or no performance gain.

2. Ask a question, get an answer, and listen to it (especially when the mods, mag experts, tell you what to do)

3. Save for a ReTro valve.

*edit* You can buy a used 68 4500 psi (no such thing as a 4k tank, although you can fill a 4.5k tank to 4k) for 150 or so here.

[A.T.S]

If someone has used the Z-valve please respond!!!

Please!

[Dayspring]

Actually, you're wrong. The airflow path is what makes it reactive. The incoming pressure isn't regulated down, so it kicks the trigger back with full force.

As for the on/off- the top is a larger diameter than the bottom. Not tapered.

Take a look through the Tech Forums and you'll see I'm right.

*EDIT*- Some people just don't listen...

[TRIAD]

Okay A.T.S, don't ever ask a question again. If you're not going to listen to us, don't ask. Not a SINGLE person said to get it. Quite a few responded, people with much experience, and even a mod, and yet you don't listen. So, get what you want, post back how much you don't like it when you buy it. I'll be looking in the misc. items thread when you sell it.

[A.T.S]

That seams reasonable I will look at the tech forems to see how it works. I will also atempt to figure out exactly what the z-valve does and how it works.

[A.T.S]

TRAID

I am not trying to disrespect anyone!! The reason that I was not satisfied with Miscue's response was because my question was not specific enough. That is why I tried to clarify my situation and the question. I have listened to every reply. (In Dayspring's reply I missed the part about the Re designed airflow oops!!! However that does not mean that the Z-valve design is not reactive.) So far I have learned that people do not like them I still want to know why people do not like them. I would like a logical explanation of why they do, or do not work. Or an account of someone using one. I realize that you are trying to help me I just think that I have been failing to communicate clearly.

[56kSomeGuy]

I haven't used it yet but i think that putting a rt on/off assembly in your valve will not make it reactive. All the z on/off is another version of the rt on/off assembly i think. Not really sure about what i'm talking about...

[Mike Smith]

I have the 1992 version (with upgrades of course) of the AutoMag.

I tried the Z-valve almost 2 years ago. It's a real good valve UNTIL the pin bends. You have to buy a complete new valve. Galactic does not sell just the pin and that pin is very thin. Mine bend SLIGHTLY and became useless after 2 - 3 months. It would fail to shoot or would shoot double and triple shots. Sometimes, just a bump of the gun made it shoot. After I got the magnifying glass out, I noticed an extremely small bend near where the seer hits it. That was the problem; but the solution was, buy an entire new valve.

No thanks. The metal they are using is too soft for the job that it needs to do. I went back to the usual AGD valve.

[A.T.S]

Thank you for your reply Mike Smith

are there any more people who have expirence with the z-valv?

[magman007]

you have to realize, something is cheep? well you get what you pay for, just like mike said.


Also, you said you jerk your marker ever so slightly to get your 2-3 round bursts. are you playing with a stock? or no stock? if you wish to keep your remote setup, i reccomend a stock, that will severely help some of your problems. a good shooting platform is key

[AssassN]

Re: Why????

Originally posted by A.T.S
Why are they a waste? What problems do they have? I am a rec. player. I do not need to shoot super fast for long periods of time so I don't need the fast recharge rate of the retro valve. It would cost me $400 to get one because I only have co2. My velocity is consistent enough on my co2+remote set up that the ball goes where I point the gun. At this time I have no desire For H.P.A. I used a reactive trigger on a tippmann98 and loved it I could get 2-3 shot bursts with out thinking. With my mag I have a tendency to yank the gun ever so slightly when firing 2-3 shot bursts. All I want is a reactive trigger to make it easer. I do not like double triggers. Please do not tell me that it is not AGD so it sucks. I only want to hear from those of you who have had experience with it. (If you have one, have used one, have a friend who uses one, etc.) I realize that the retro valve is probably better, but I do not think it is worth the money for my purposes. Thank you for your time!

All i heard was...

Why ... .... . ..... .... ........ do .... ..... I .. . .... ....... . .. not need .. ..... ..... .... ... .... ....... .. .... .. . ..... .... the .... ........ .... .. ... retro valve. It wouldn't cost me .... to get one because I only have .... .. ........ .. .......... ...... .. .. co2+remote ... .. .... ... .... .... ..... . ..... ... .... .. .... .... I have .. desire For H.P.A. . .... a reactive trigger .. . .......... and ..... .. I could get ... .... bursts with out thinking. With my mag I have a tendency to yank the gun ever so slightly when firing 2-3 shot bursts. All I want is a reactive trigger to make it easer. I do ... like double triggers. Please do ... tell me that it is not AGD so it sucks. . only .... .. .... .... ..... .. you ... have ... experience .... ... (If you have one, have used one, have a friend who uses one, etc.) I realize that the retro valve is ........ better, but I do ... think it is worth the money for my purposes. Thank you for your time!


2 pounds of grapes later im done.

[banzaimf]

Re: What do you think of the z valve From Galactic systemz Inc.?

First off, I have a Z-valve in my gun

Next, I have done all the things to my gun that they say not too (sear grinds, on/off pin grinds, trigger rod length adjustment, etc), including tossing in a Z-valve. I got a somewhat lighter trigger pull from the Z-valve, but it was not as noticeable as the sear grinds. As for anyone who feels like telling me sear grinds don't work, I have had my slightly ground sear in my gun since 1997. They do work if done in moderation. Anyways, the point is that Z-valves do make a SLIGHT difference, but cost vs performance isn't all that great.

banzaimf

[A.T.S]

LOL AssassN I can dig your style. I was afraid it might sound like that.

Magman007 I bought the mag partly because of the pistol feel for that reason I do not use a stock. My pro/carb feels like a rifle I wanted something completely different. Thank you for your input.

Are there any single trigger jobs that might make the action smoother?

Thanks banzaimf