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  • AGD
    The man from AGD

    • Oct 2000
    • 5916

    #1

    4500 Flatline Update (pics)

    All,

    Cphilip posted a desperate plea for the 4500 systems so here is an update. We were having problems with about 15% of the systems deforming the reg seat under pressure. Here is what they looked like at two extremes.



    Can you see the difference? We sure can. The fix is to modify the design to make the seat deform in a controlled way to make sure it keeps the shape we want. This takes several tries to get it right. NOW WE COULD HAVE shipped them out to YOU and had our customers test the different configurations and just update you later but that's not our style.

    We tested several different designs and think the one we tesed today will work the best. Here is a new seat next to a used seat, you can see they look almost the same size. This was only ONE test system.




    Now the question is, do we test ANOTHER batch of 20 units and see if we get failures? There are two ways to look at this, first since the failure rate was only about 15% anyways ANY improvement would most likely mean they would work acceptably, go ahead and ship a big batch to customers. The other side of the coin, since you changed the design you may not know ANYTHING about what will happen, you should start the testing from scratch to be SURE. So I ask you my loyal customers, what would YOU do if you were me? Remember Christmas is coming up.

    AGD
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  • DarkPhoenix
    Advanced Fire Support
    • May 2001
    • 719

    #2
    Tom, I greatly appreciate your candor and thank you for putting out all this information. I, for one, would rather you continue testing, in order that you put out a product that is not only up to your standards but also will set a new standard in performance.

    I know I am one of those people who are chomping at the bit to purchase the new 4500psi Flatline, but I would rather wait than buy a product that the manufacturer is not very sure of. Do not give in to the pressure of the consumers and put out an unfinished product. Complete the testing and put out a product that will take a beating and keep on ticking. After all "Quality Always Shoots Straight."

    Last thing, actually it is more of a request. When you bring the 4500psi Flatline into full production, I was wondering if I might be able to buy the reg straight from you guys. I would love to be one of the first to own what I know will be a great product.
    Last edited by DarkPhoenix; 10-07-2001, 02:49 AM.

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    • Tunaman
      Specialized AGD Tech

      • Dec 2000
      • 8643

      #3
      Keep on tryin'

      Ditto! Get it right before you ship um. Test them REAL good. AGD is known for this type of quailty, and all who know that also knows they will be worth the wait!
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      • Threewheeler
        Registered User
        • May 2001
        • 189

        #4
        I must agree...

        I've used your guns almost since I first started plaing, and have often been asked, "why go with 'a tube on a handle'"? My only answer can be "Because I know that when I screw in the bottle, that it will work." It would be very bad for you guys to release a product to the public without being 110% sure of the quality of that product.

        Thank you for doing it right,

        Three
        -E-Mag
        -WGP Sniper II

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        • krafty
          Senior Discount
          • Jun 2001
          • 1124

          #5
          I agree with everyone else. Continue testing until it works like it was intended to. Better to have the product as flawless as possible, so your workbenches don't get filled up with people needing the conversion to Flatline 4500 v2.0.

          Anyways, I thought you wanted us all to dream about dancing sugarplums and E-Mags for Christmas!

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          • cphilip
            Former Moderator

            • Jun 2026
            • 16216

            #6
            Tom, I certainly agree with getting it right. But I was hoping we were close. If I wait a few weeks do you think it would be rectified? I guess I could see if I could borrow a tank for a bit. How did I let myself get into this situation?

            I would be willing to wait just a bit if I knew it was close. But I need a tank. Fairly soon. But my problem not yours...


            AGD, where we are so good we can do it with only ONE tube!

            cphilip.com

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            • Temo Vryce
              Super Chicken
              • Sep 2001
              • 1023

              #7
              Tom you guys are known for excellent craftmanship and I would really hate it if you guys put out a substandard product. Test the ______ out of it. When you feel that it works the way it should then release it. We can wait until after Christmas for it if we have too.

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              • ah137
                Registered User
                • Nov 2000
                • 569

                #8
                test test test!!!!!
                NVE-mag
                Certified Airgun Tech.


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                • mitch
                  Team Canadian Eclipse
                  • May 2001
                  • 1053

                  #9
                  i want one so bad for cheistmas.
                  but i don't want a defected tank either.
                  so keep testing and when they are ready i will buy one.
                  but keep it going and save one for me.
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                  • MajorDamage
                    King of Polyester!
                    • Dec 2000
                    • 3141

                    #10
                    Make sure they are the bestestest! You guys Rock!

                    --ENDO!
                    Oldskool

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                    • kman32
                      god bless america!
                      • Jun 2001
                      • 54

                      #11
                      yeah i think you should get them working 100% before you ship them but i would devinatly buy a 4500psi flatline! thanks alot AGD!!!


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                      • jr
                        Registered User
                        • Aug 2001
                        • 21

                        #12
                        test test test, tom , do you do any controlled tempture testing at all?you know what i mean? like to see how some thing works at lets say 100f and 30 f or what ever.
                        rt,full freak set,68 flatline,purple m 98 purple 20 oz

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                        • emaggot4life
                          Registered User
                          • Jul 2001
                          • 167

                          #13
                          A testing we shall go, a testing we sahll go, hi ho the merry o a testing we shall go...

                          Test test test , as long as I can get one before June 2002.

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                          • ralicea
                            Registered User
                            • Nov 2000
                            • 198

                            #14
                            I'm looking for a new tank for my mag. After reading this post, I WILL wait until the 4500 Flatline is out.

                            Tom, do all the testing needed.

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                            12" Dye Aluminum
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                            • lonsch
                              Registered User
                              • Jan 2001
                              • 347

                              #15
                              i will test one for you

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