Final Truth to Why autocockers seem more accurate | And guess what ITS NOT THE ELVES!

[Temo Vryce]

Accuracy is 99% dependant on the person holding the marker. If you can't hit the broad side of a barn it doesn't matter what you have for a marker. As for your little field test. You tried hard I'll give you that but you should have had the same tank on all 3 markers as well as the same person firing all 3 markers. No two people shoot the same way. How you hold the marker, how you squeeze the trigger, how many shots you are taking... These all affect the accuracy.

Oh one final comment, you did say something that is true about cockers in your title.

Why autocockers seem more accurate

If we could convince enough people that talons were more accurate than angels soon we'd have praising them. Don't always believe the guy shooting his mouth off at the field that this is better than that. Believe the data that proves this is better than that.

Read "Deep Blue" and "Technical Roundtable" forums for hard data that is believable.

I'm done know.

[*ArKfEaR*]

[TRIAD]

I'm not even going to try to read that English Teacher's Nightmare of a Post you just wrote.

[1stdeadeye]

Enough!

ARKFEAR,
Learn to spell please!!!!

Are you a teenager? Take a physics class!

The reason that all three guns did not hit the same spot is because your test was not set up correctly. I did take physics at the University of Maryland. I can make any test come out the way I want it to with the slightest of variables changed. For a valid test, everything must be set identically. I don't care if this was a rebel/spyder/tippman test, if done properly, the results should be the same. Take that physics course. The only thing it will hurt is your GPA.

Remember 300=300=300.

I'll leave you with this quote:
Figures don't lie, but liars can figure!

[magman007]

HMMMM, funny. you argue that a propely tuned cocker is the best there is, but when i tell you you werent using a properly tuned mag, you tell me that that is bull crap? Arkfear, stop while you are ahead. Two respectable internet companies have done tests showing no difference (I.E. warpig and Paintball star), So how dows yours differ? Did you even read the posts in deep blue i posted for you?

Not to mention, have blue, a very respectable man in the world of paintball will tell you the same thing. Also, a man by the name of Dan"aka Maghog" and the owner of triggernomics will tel you the same thing, as he compleated the same test. I have as feeling your eyes are decieving you. Either that or your lying to us to cover up your mistake that you made in Reoths thread. I dont know, all i know is that you have repeadtedly put down Us at AO, you have flamed many of us, and we are tired of it. PLease, understand that you are wrong, we know the facts, and we do not believe you, why is that? because we know the facts.

Im sorry you are wrong, but we will forgive you if you just admit your mistake.

If the mag had been properly tuned, it would have been a solid performer. I guess that is all i have to say.

Also, what paint did you use? did you use the roundest paint you could find for your test?

I will tell you right now, closed vs open doesnt matter.

Also, i will tell you that mags are quite consistent, as consistent as your cocker (saying the reg is probabally more consistent then the reg on your cocker any ways)

If any thing is properly tuned(sounds like the angel wasnt either) it will be a solid performer.

I am done arguing with you. You are 19 act your age, im 16 , quit arguing with me like your 10. Im freekin tired of it.

[Kaiser Bob]

To be honest if you said the mag had the most range out of the guns, I would still question your testing process because it just should not be! I will restate that you did not document any meaningful way to make sure the end of every barrel was perpendicular to the ground, or at least at the same angle. That alone would change where the balls would hit by feet. That is also why i disregard the results of your test. Try again, but make sure to get all your varibles out of the way and come back.

PS. Check PBstar.com for a test that was done right.

[Rooster]

And theres no such thing as a propperly tuned mag? Theres nothing to tune.

What was that sucking sound? Oh, your credibility going right out the window. Its been proven that open bolt, closed bolt has nothing to do with accuracy, give it up already. Its like the germans saying the Holocust never happened. Just becuase you really really hope its true, just doesn't make it true.

Its called marketing hype, and you are its wittless pawn.

[Polishpickles451]

First of all I am going to admit that I what I am going to write isn't backed up by really measured out experimentation. Next, I have owned 2 mags and 2 cockers and have tried numerous barrels on each. I have come to the conclusion that accuracy is mainly dependant on paint quality, with bore size as a second factor. Yet, I have found w/ the same tank (flatline) using the same barrel (lapco bigshot) shooting 260fps my cocker was definatly more accurate. Ever notice on a mag when you dry fire it there will be alot of air going up the feedtube (blowback)?
Properly timed cockers have very little blowback, hence the lack of powerfeeds on cockers. I do believe that a closed bolt system does provide better efficiency. Why? Because while in a mag (and other open bolt guns), there is considerable air lost going up the feedtube, in a cocker, the bolt is sealed behind the ball and 90% of air released is behind the ball.
Paintballs are inherently inaccurate, it's not really an issue of the marker. I think that persuing better "accuracy" with barrels and what not is pretty useless. I remember getting a long awaited freak and finding it to be no more accurate then any other barrel. Markers are considerably more accurate then they used to be, but this is due exclusively to refinement in paint quality.
Why my cockers were more accurate then my mags is not clear. Could it have anything to due with the nubbin in the barrel vs. a cocker nylon ball detent? A more likely culprit now that I think about it is that my mags broke paint and that would effect accuracy
But we all laugh at the newbies who wanna know how to be "snipers", because it doens't take long to find out in paintball that range and accuracy are not what paintball markers are good for.
And yes, cocker vs. mag is preference.

[*ArKfEaR*]

Hrrm spelling seems fine to me. Most of the replies as usual have to do with nothing. Ummm most of your "so called spelling errors" are just laziness and abbreviations.

[magman007]

hmmm, polish, i gotta dissagree, mags used to have massive quantities of blow back, thats why they origionally had the powerfeed, was so the ball ricocheted into the breach, but now, with the long nose bolt (lvl 10 and stock on mags) the blowback is cured. i can put a tissue on my powerfeed and not have it blow off. I think your paint breaking therory is the best.

The nubbin vs balldetent i feel is pointless. The stock rt barrels even went to 2 nubbins and that proved to have no difference. any ways, that is also solved, because now there is the extreme, with cocker barrels and ball detents and such



EDIT: mods, can we just close this? it is already a flame fest, and we arent getting any where. Im not backing down to false evidence, i am just asking to finish this for good. 99.9% of ao knows the truth, so it isnt worth arguing any further.

[TRIAD]

Ark, you're making us mad. Sit down and shut your mouth you pal. Your stupid opinions have been proven wrong. Quit making fun of us and suck it up. This thread is retarded, I'm done. Stupid.

[*ArKfEaR*]

Very mature there triad. Im proven wrong, yes of course. Cause i was the one who did the test and i saw the results but of course im proven wrong. Nice sense making there bud. If they were just opinions why are you getting so angry? Huh? Im not making fun of you, as of the point of now im mostley defending myself and my results. And ive been sitting down considering im on a computer.

If your done "why dont you all just stop replying"

Im just a retard remember and my "opinions" (not results) mean nothing cause im stupid and dont know anything.

Right?



And PS: Magman is my hero and yes mods please close this

[Miscue]

Right.

Thread closed.