Amg then mag?

**boomerfoxtrot** · 09-12-2002, 12:55 PM

Re: Amg then mag?

Originally posted by FistS

I was looking at the AMG as my first real tourny gun. Reliable,an Electric, and a Spyder, which from what i have heard, are veyr reliable and sturdy guns.

First off, Spyders are not reliable and sturdy guns. I owned two in my life time. Both sucked. My last, an EM1.. so I did spend money on the good ones.

Go look at EBAY and find yourself a mag. You can pick a used one up for a good price. I would start with a mini, or a 68 mag. they shouldn't cost you a whole lot.

then when you get some money move to the RT ... if you shoot really fast then the first thing you will want to do is spend $85 and get LVL10...

but mags are worth every cent you spend. unlike spyders.
Mags have great tech help, Kingman... there tech support sucks.

hope this helps...

**Bulldog** · 09-12-2002, 01:17 PM

The cheapest I've seen a new AMG go for is somewhere in the realm of 280 bucks. For that you should be able to find a used mag in decent condition. The quality of Kingman guns has really gone down hill.

As far as what kind of mag you should get, it's all personal preferance. Want something easy on the wallet and upgradeable, get a 68 powerfeed. Want something light and compact, get a micro mag. Like the sleek looks of a minimag, go there. It just depends on what your after.

edit: What do you want out of your gun? What are the top 3 most important qualities that you want out of it?

**petefol** · 09-12-2002, 01:29 PM

the amg will cost as much as a standard feed TKO mag, and although with the mag you will need n2 it really doesnt matter since you can get a n2 tank for around 70-80$

**FistS** · 09-12-2002, 01:45 PM

Yeah, thats just it....
I'm short on the cash flow at this point in time, so I'm trying to keep costs as low as i can.

the three things im looking for in a gun are:
Reliableness(is that a word?)
Easy to take care of.
Good on the field gun(accuracy/speed/wieght)

I could push my parents to lending me close to 2 hundred, anything past that would be near immposbbile. I personally, have 200 in the bank to spend on a gun.

I was looking at the TKO mag, i liked it and all, but the single trigger? I don't like the feel of those. Would it cost a lot to have it replaced /w a double?

Also, with N2, I was looking at some tanks, and i saw some for 90-120, and then i saw crossfires and aci's for like 400. The thing that confuses me is, they are both the same psi, but different ci.....does Ci really matter or no?

One more thing, how much would a micro or mini cost WHOLEsale?

THanks again for your time and input,

-FistS

Dead Cell Mascot.

**yeahthatsme** · 09-12-2002, 02:31 PM

automags cost less than amg's. i would go for the automag.

**Bulldog** · 09-12-2002, 02:35 PM

Automags are probaly the most reliable, easy to take care of guns that exist. No joke. As far as accuracy is concerned, that's gonna depend on your barrel to paint match. There are a ton of threads that discuss specifics of what barrel works with what paint, so I won't go into that.

As far as speed and weight are concerned, Mags aren't the lightest guns out there, but they can be configured in some pretty lightweight configurations.

A brand new inteliframe (AGD double trigger frame) will cost you about a 115 bucks, but you don't have to buy one of those. There are others out there that are cheaper. Not as well made, but cost a lot less.

I don't know what the wholesale cost of a micro mag mgiht be. You can go to proteamdirect.com and see the retail prices for yourself.

The ci is the size of the tank, cubic inches. The psi the pressure. The higher the numbers the more expensive. If you want an adjustable regulator that costs more too. Also a ton of threads on this here at AO.

**darklord** · 09-12-2002, 02:42 PM

I'd recommend the mag, but why are people dissing spyders? I've had a spyder for the longest time and it's been easy to maintain, clean, and operate. All these ghost stories about spyders shooting like 500fps is total bull. The AMG is a fine gun, but if you're willing to shell out that kind of money, you might as well go for a mag. There are plenty of used mags in the classifieds forum for real cheap prices.

**Bulldog** · 09-12-2002, 02:49 PM

I bought a spyder when they first came out and I loved it. No problems, easy to take care of, and great to play with. I had it for about 6 months before I sold it. That was about 8 years ago.

I bought a TL plus a year ago as a back up and it's been very tempermental. I don't know about 500 fps, but those springs are a little stiff from the factory. More like 310 to 350 fps. I know 4 other guys who had the same problem among others. Maybe I'm just used to mags and I'm expecting to much.

**petefol** · 09-12-2002, 02:51 PM

reliability... a mag is more reliable then a spyder, super easy to take care of, and i dont see why the weight of a gun matters... guns within about a pound of each other dont really seem different to me. the reason some tanks cost less is the psi, a 4500psi tank will give you more shots then a 3000psi one, the ci or cubic inches is just the size of the tank. the other reason some tanks cost more is if it is a preset tank or an adjustable tank. preset tanks are preset at a certain flow, but with an adjustable you can adjust it to fit your gun best. and if your dont have enough money to get a mag then i would get a tippman. you can get the m98c tournament package from pbgear.com they have 3 different packages for 200$ 240$ and 260$. with the m98c tourney package you get the m98 sniper barrel, x chamber w bottom line, double trigger, and some other stuff. another gun you could get is the bushmaster BKO it is a fully electropnuematic gun but it doesnt fire full auto, only semifire up to 10 bps i think. im not sure how the BKO does on co2 tho.

**rhetor22** · 09-12-2002, 05:16 PM

my mag shoots fine with a crappy Xchamber. Its not too hot in the snow, but it warm weather it shoots like a champ.

You can pick one up for probably $20. I would get an ACI 6 stage. those are real nice.

In my experiences Spyders have always worked fine, and i have never seen one just kinker out or anything. They're fairly easy to clean as well.

**Spray Painter** · 09-12-2002, 05:27 PM

another reson that the tanks were $80-120 is beacuse the are steel tanks were as the more expencive ones were fiber wraped

**rpm07** · 09-12-2002, 06:15 PM

You can get yourself a nice mag for that price. I am not going to put down a spyder. I tested a spyder in 1995 be for they came out for kingman, and I thought it was a damn good gun for the money. I dont know how they are made these days.

**FistS** · 09-12-2002, 06:36 PM

http://www.actionvillage.com/010-1012-1.html

Thats the tko i was looking at. Notice the single trigger. If i was to get this, i'd want to switch out the single for a double.

Smart idea or no?

Also, instead of begining with a AMG, i was thinking either Impy or Bushy? Ideas, suggestions? Thanks.

-FistS

Team DeadCell Mascot

**Bulldog** · 09-12-2002, 06:42 PM

Those TKO's are good, and I'd want to switch that trigger frame out also. Impy's and bushy's are both great guns too, but are more expensive... I think.

Amg then mag?

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