Cocker vs. Bko

[TRIAD]

Only if you don't know how to tune a Cocker properly. All Cockers can use the same parts, can be milled, have the bodies drilled, etc. The only reason higher end ones may seem better than upgraded stocks is because a) The shop/company making them knows how to tune them better than an average Cocker owner b) They look really freakin' nice.

If all you can afford now is a stock Cocker, than by all means get one. You can take a Cocker very far with upgrades. If you wan't a Freeflow's performance, then save up for Freeflow internals later. If you want an SFL's performance, save up for Shocktech internals/pneus. The only other thing you need to worry about is tuning your regs, loc titing the sucker up, and timing.

Look, you can harp that all you want, but I know for a fact no stock 'cocker has a lifetime no-questions-asked warranty. A freeflow does. Hands down a freeflow is better than a stock upgraded as much as you want 'cocker. The reason? Because for 1000 you get a freeflow, MUCH less used. For 300 you get a stock 'cocker. Add a new trigger frame, barrel, internals, bolt, pneumatics, and you could've bought the freeflow WITH the warranty. Sure, a stock 'cocker is nice, but I would save up the money and get something really good (emag or automag personally, but make your own decicision), then buy something okay when all you had to do is wait.

It all depends on your cash situation, if you can save up for a few months, by all means do. You'll be much happier if you wait and buy something nice. That's what I'm doing, and I'm glad I waited. So, make your own decision, but don't rush it for instant gratification. That's the WORST way to make a purchase. Think about it, rather then getting "pumped" and wanting the marker NOW NOW NOW. Have patience, and you will be rewarded.

[KamikazeChiKenz]

ICD

You should check out the Indian Creek Designs forum on Pbnation.com

It is very informative and asks many of the same questions that you probably have especially about the bko. And yes its supposed to handle 14.9 bps

[yeahthatsme]

COCKER!!!!!!!!!

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Yes, the BKO is capped at 14 bps. I could never shoot that fast, but it is nice to know that it is there. It can also accept just about every Bushmaster upgrade except for stuff dealing with the soleniod and the ram.

[Ov3rmind]

Look, you can harp that all you want, but I know for a fact no stock 'cocker has a lifetime no-questions-asked warranty. A freeflow does. Hands down a freeflow is better than a stock upgraded as much as you want 'cocker. The reason? Because for 1000 you get a freeflow, MUCH less used. For 300 you get a stock 'cocker. Add a new trigger frame, barrel, internals, bolt, pneumatics, and you could've bought the freeflow WITH the warranty. Sure, a stock 'cocker is nice, but I would save up the money and get something really good (emag or automag personally, but make your own decicision), then buy something okay when all you had to do is wait.

I said "performance wise", they will be the same. The lifetime warranty is awesome, but it doesn't effect performance. You can get a stock Cocker Freeflowed out, and it will perform the same as a Freeflow. However, I will agree on one thing: If you can save up for a Freeflow in a few months, do it! The lifetime warranty and ano/mill job are sweet.

If you need a gun now though, go for a stock Cocker. It's not like they suck, you can make them awesome by all means. Not everyone can save up for a $900+ Cocker in a few months.

It all depends on your cash situation, if you can save up for a few months, by all means do. You'll be much happier if you wait and buy something nice. That's what I'm doing, and I'm glad I waited. So, make your own decision, but don't rush it for instant gratification. That's the WORST way to make a purchase. Think about it, rather then getting "pumped" and wanting the marker NOW NOW NOW. Have patience, and you will be rewarded.

Agreed.

[FeuerFri]

what do you guys think of a nasty impulse? would a rat be better? i think i am take a lil advice from you guys and save and get something nice. saw some specs of the nasty and it seems like a nice set-up, so i think i will wait till next months pay and grab me one.

where can i find one of the nasty or rat impys?

thanx alot for all of your guys input though. it is appreciated.

[Ov3rmind]

The only Imp I'd consider buying is the Adrenalin. Right now, I've been hearing a lot of bad stuff about both EPBO's and PBWholesaler's customer service. Between the Rat and Nasty, it really comes down to looks, they'll both perform the same. I think you should go back over you previous choices though. If you really wan't an electro, I would HIGHLY suggest a Viking over ANY Impulse. Lifetime warranty, tough as nails, consistant, low pressure, incredible efficiency, great trigger, compactness, and a great company all support the Viking. Then again, what do I know, I'm a Cocker guy .

[TRIAD]

AKA-great products, bad price.

Seriously though, they have the highest prices in the world. 900 at the LEAST for an unmilled unanno'd single trigger viking up to 1400+. Also, there is an incredible wait. For that amount of cash, heck, you could buy an emag extreme. Granted, I doubt you were planning on spending ore than 1000. So, what I'd do, personally, is first decide if you want to get a gun with a warp feed. Try some out at your local field and get a feel for whether you want warp feed or vert feed. Personally, I would get an emag. That's just my opinion. It's one of the few guns out there that won't chop basically EVER. The eye on the Impy's, while good, is not flawless. You may say that not many people go warp, but go with what you like. And keep in mind, the warp feed is gaining popularity. Bob Long shoots one, and in the latest issue of PB2X, many intimidators had them. So, shoot both guns, warped and not warped, Halo B and revvy/ricochet/evvy2, and decide what's the best for you.

[Ov3rmind]

AKA-great products, bad price.

Seriously though, they have the highest prices in the world. 900 at the LEAST for an unmilled unanno'd single trigger viking up to 1400+. Also, there is an incredible wait. For that amount of cash, heck, you could buy an emag extreme. Granted, I doubt you were planning on spending ore than 1000. So, what I'd do, personally, is first decide if you want to get a gun with a warp feed. Try some out at your local field and get a feel for whether you want warp feed or vert feed. Personally, I would get an emag. That's just my opinion. It's one of the few guns out there that won't chop basically EVER. The eye on the Impy's, while good, is not flawless. You may say that not many people go warp, but go with what you like. And keep in mind, the warp feed is gaining popularity. Bob Long shoots one, and in the latest issue of PB2X, many intimidators had them. So, shoot both guns, warped and not warped, Halo B and revvy/ricochet/evvy2, and decide what's the best for you.

What are you smokin'? An unmilled, flat black anoed Viking is $775. That is not very much higher than a Rat imp or Nasty. Any other ano and milled one could run up to $950, at the most. BTW, single and double triggers cost the same amount, so you don't have to sacrifice some extra money for the trigger style you like. If you think I'm lying, go check www.akalmp.com. Considering what you get with that deal, I think it's a great price. The only downside I see to them is the wait. From what I hear actually, the wait on new Vikings is actually getting shorter too. Of course, it's up to you.

AKA-great products, great price (save maybe the Excalibur)

[FeuerFri]

the warp would not realy intrest me, at the moment, but the ptp warp will fit and marker though if i deside on wanting one later right?

where would be the cheapest place to get a stock impy? i think i am going to get one of those, being as the whole drive for a Bko was cause it seemed like a cheap alterintive to an imp.

[TRIAD]

yeah, the ptp will fit.

[personman]

WTF ???
BKO can go 14 bps, but bushy can only hit 13?

The BushMaster series comes standard with the most capabilities at the flick of a switch. (inside the grip) Go from semi-auto (single shot), 3 shot or 6 shot burst. It even does FULL-AUTO!. There are four separate modes to choose from. Semi Auto, 3 shot, 6 shot burst or full-auto modes stops when the trigger is released, allowing single shot firing in any mode. The on board R.O.F. is programmable through dip-switch configurations laid out in the manual. No variable pots to keep you guessing. Rate selection will give you 4 - 13 cycles per second. All of this in a very affordable package will keep you at the top of the technological totem pole.

[TRIAD]

Bushy does 12.9 to be exact