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  • Blazingace
    ENGINE OF DESTRUCTION
    • Apr 2002
    • 829

    #1

    PB2X and AGD's perception

    Hello,

    I just read the October issue of Paintball 2 Xtremes. I really enjoy that mag and it has some very good articles and the pictures are always topnotch. But there are not alot of 'Mag pics or related articles. Except for this issue and that is what I want to talk about. There was definatly some good stuff in this issue. Tom and AO and the Shatner game. Half an article on the IAO tech conference and stuff like that. There was also some stuff that could have gone better for us. Jay Smackowski and the controversal AGD Billboard. AGD Lions and Pride at the IAO. Things like that.


    On the good side of the coin in this issue Tom Kaye is the huge celebrity. His name and/or face is all over the place. I love it. Since Paintball is such a perception driven thing Tom Kaye all over was great. AGD Lions maxing every prelim game was great. The huge picture in the Hot Shots section of a C&C Extreme was great. Major points all around for that. The Market pulse section that has a good spread about AO was the best thing that could happen. I know that I have talked to many 'Mag users and found out that they have no idea that AO exists.

    On the down side there are some major points deducted for things in the bad image department. Having the proper name on the Hot Shots page would have been nice. Since the Extemes are such a radical departure from the AGD design norm, I wish there was more to connect AGD with the giant pic on that page. Since you don't see alot of pics of 'Mags in a tourney setting, the indecnet exposure section can be condsidered a negative. If people perceive that 'Mags are not serious guns then they might not consider purchasing a 'Mag.

    How I wish that AGD Lions and Pride could have finished 1 and 2 at the IAO. If you have the magazine then you would know what I am talking about. Tippman Effect wins and the whole IAO article is about them. They even get interviewed and a gun segment on the A-5. Imagine if an AGD team won the kind of coverage we would get. The kind of coverage we deserve.

    If you get PB2X on a regualar basis you might have been following the Perfect Player articles. I personally think that they are very good. They are close to, if not right on on most accounts. The last one focused on equipment. It mentions the Angel as the be-all-end-all gun as electros go. The E-mag got alot of kudos for its ability to switch between modes and interface with the Warpfeed. The one factor that killed the E-mag was its weight. The author also stated that 'Mags chop. Now I know that this article was written before the Lvl 10 and Extreme E-mags, but it still looks bad. I have put 6 cases of paint through my Lvl 10 Mini with not a single chop. Also the IAO tech article mentions that the C&C Extreme is lighter that the IR3 angel.

    Finally, the coup de grace is the Jay Smackowski article at the end of the magazine. There was a long discusion about the AGD billboard at the IAO. Many people voiced their opinions about it and this is not the place to rehash old news, but it seems that it has come back to haunt us. Since 'Mags don't get the kind of coverage that other guns do this tiny little 1/4 page blurb hurts. Paintball is on the verge of becoming mainstream and AGD should be right there with WGP, WDP and the likes of Dye and 32 Degrees. We should not be relegated to the likes of Bruizer and KAPP and Facefull magazine. These images stay with people, that is what they are designed to do. It is images like these that might mean the difference between a loyal AGD customer and another Cocker or Angel owner.

    I love AGD and my Minimag. I have a dream of the perfect C&C Extreme that I will purchase. But most of all I want to AGD products featured in magazines. I want to see action photos of 'Mags right along with Angels, Cockers and the rest. I don't want the Angel to be the be-all-end-all paintball gun.

    I am tired of explaining my gun to people who don't know AGD. It is all summed up when I went to the field a couple months ago. I was playing some of the best woods ball of my life. I was unstoppable. A little kid walked up to me with his E-99 Spyder and asked what kind of gun was I using. I told him it was an Airgun Designs Minimag. He looked at me kind of funny and said that he never heard of them.

    I know that some of you think that I am knit-picking things, well you might be right. But I worked in retail before and I know what it is like once the customer has their mind set on something. BETA was better than VHS but what did we end up with? Macintosh is easier to work with and use but we all have PCs with one form or another of Windows. We all know that AGD makes the toughest, fastest and most reliable gun, but if the customer has something else in mind what do we get? 11 year olds with Fly IR3 Angels or Toxic Impulses. Perception is the driving force behind retail. So think about all the little things that are said or are in print or photos and add all that up.

    I am sorry if I am a little long winded about things. That is how strongly I feel about paintball and AGD in particular. If you read through all this I hope you understand what I am saying.

    Thank you,
    Joel D'Attilio
  • magman007
    I <3 my Penis
    • Jun 2001
    • 7579

    #2
    OK, you think one bilboard is going to keep agd down? what about the angel heven reputation? thats pretty crazy man. You just gotta think, sex sells, i wonder howmany wiar feeds were sola at the iao? how many were used and so fourth? what is so wrong with agd actually advertizing



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    • 56kSomeGuy
      love my cold steel katana
      • Feb 2002
      • 675

      #3
      Yay just got my issue of pb2x and I just read some of the articles. I am a new subscriber and only got like three issues. The thing that I notice in the other two issues that I got, are that there is almost nothing in there about mags. Are pb2x bias aginst mags? In this issue they have some mag related articles but bearly.
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      • Puddleglum
        Registered User
        • Oct 2001
        • 811

        #4
        We should not be relegated to the likes of Bruizer and KAPP and Facefull magazine.
        KAPP's a pretty happining company. And I think AGD is going to make a HUGE comback with the Xtreme and LvL 10. Around here(Georgia, namely Snellville, people are talking about it all over.
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        • Blazingace
          ENGINE OF DESTRUCTION
          • Apr 2002
          • 829

          #5
          The thread is an analyzation of one issue of PB2X. Have you read the magazine Magman007? Are you aware of the implications that bad press and rep. can give a company? I don't know adout Chile, but in the US bad press can spell doom. I wasn't talking about the billboard but about the press it generated. Think about how AGD, a company that is rarely covered, and how bad press reflects on a company that doesn't get alot of exposure. Think about it.

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          • gatorchris
            Registered User
            • Aug 2002
            • 46

            #6
            Its not PB2X thats biased, its the industry as a whole I think. The mag just isnt (wasnt possibly because of LX) considered a good tourney gun. I havent been playing relatively long, but I did lots of research and talked to lots of players before buying my first tourney marker. All I heard from people was mags chop, they dont work with brittle paint, and personally I didnt like anything looks-wise until the E mags.
            I think the E mags and LX will rise, especially the extremes, but its going to be a long road to win over the high end tourney guys. One thing that will help is advertising, but the big boost will be getting a pro team to commit to using them and hopefully, winning. I have been shooting Timmys since they were big and ugly, so I got to see the effect the GZ had first hand. It basically put the timmy on the map as a high end tourney gun worth shelling out lots of money on. People were buying them because they said GZ, not because they knew a single thing about the marker. Sad but true, doesnt matter how good your product is if you cant get someone famous to SAY its good. I came over during the "WAS tribunals" and I must say Im giving serious thought to getting an E mag to play with, wouldnt say that without LX though.

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            • Blazingace
              ENGINE OF DESTRUCTION
              • Apr 2002
              • 829

              #7
              Yeah I realize that KAPP was bad example. They are pretty good with their stuff.

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              • shartley
                paintball player
                • Mar 2001
                • 9169

                #8
                Blazingace

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                • Blazingace
                  ENGINE OF DESTRUCTION
                  • Apr 2002
                  • 829

                  #9
                  I always can count on you Shartley to put things in perspective. Thank you.

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                  • FutureMagOwner
                    Registered User
                    • Dec 2001
                    • 3354

                    #10
                    good points...

                    and SHartly, it would be Zealotism if not that it would be something like Zelotcrit either that or just plain stupid

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                    • Troy
                      Registered User
                      • Apr 2002
                      • 246

                      #11
                      Blazingrace,

                      Tom is working on changing the image of the company as we speak. The Level 10, the Extreme, the new aluminum body mag(what ever it is going to be called), the Warp Feed, and the new teams are all working on changing that.

                      There were more Warp feeds at the IAO than any other tournament I have ever been at. With the level 10 and the Extreme you are only going to see more of AGD.

                      As far as teams go, the Lions wanted nothing more than to bring home a first place at the IAO. It was the quietest, longest 8 hour car ride ever. Every 15 min we would just ask each other how the freak we lost. It came down to not playing the field properly (we put to many guys on a hold side). We are very close to having a team that can compete at the top level. Look for us to be on the podium in the future.

                      I can tell you this much, if there were teams there that played us and didn't take mags seriously they do now. Even after losing the first two games of the semis we made an adjustment and went on to hand BE Allstars a beating for the second time.

                      Anyway I will stop babling

                      Troy

                      AGD LIONS
                      "Shoot straight up in the air and hit the other team on top of the head...European teams do it all the time" D.A. 2001 Gettysburg

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                      • aaron_mag
                        Registered User
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 1375

                        #12
                        AGD Lions......

                        You guys are definetely are competing with top level teams. I mean come on you swept the first day. Things happen. We're rooting for you.

                        As far as concerns for AGD go I think that they will do fine in the long run. Once they get the Extremes in the regular product line (stocked in stores) they will be alot of peoples hands. Don't equate AGD with Beta just yet

                        ULE Body Level 10 Automag intelliframe + retrovalve

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                        • 1stdeadeye
                          Still around????
                          • Jun 2002
                          • 8501

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Blazingace
                          The thread is an analyzation of one issue of PB2X. Have you read the magazine Magman007? Are you aware of the implications that bad press and rep. can give a company? I don't know adout Chile, but in the US bad press can spell doom. I wasn't talking about the billboard but about the press it generated. Think about how AGD, a company that is rarely covered, and how bad press reflects on a company that doesn't get alot of exposure. Think about it.
                          Uh Blazing Ace...
                          Magman007 is an American. He is in Chile as a foreign exchange student. He probably understands the USA as well as both of us!

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                          • KamikazeChiKenz
                            mmm, mmm, good
                            • Apr 2002
                            • 492

                            #14
                            Well you know what they say..."There's no such thing as bad publicity"...well maybe there is but I don't think this is a big deal at all


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                            • *ArKfEaR*
                              WATCH ENDGAME NOW!
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 1009

                              #15
                              Re: PB2X and AGD's perception

                              Originally posted by Blazingace
                              11 year olds with Fly IR3 Angels or Toxic Impulses. Perception is the driving force behind retail.


                              Thank you,
                              Joel D'Attilio


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