WDP makes false claims

[drx975]

Yeah a few things: One, I know the BPS doesnt really matter as I dont even feel a stong need for a retrovalve, and two, it is possible the article was written before the release of level 10, yet, I noticed a picture in the same issue of that magazine with a picture of a Level 10 Xmag, captioned "Level 10 Xmag". So this makes me think that its also possible that it was written after the release of the Level 10. My point of this post was just to show or point out the fact that companies can lie, and probably do, so you shouldn't believe everything you see. I remember seeing this quote: "Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see.".

[dansim]

trust me you havent even seen wht the ir3 is capable of doing plus agd has a long way to catchup to wdp, either way the longer the extreems are delayed(maybe even more than you know) the further they have to come by the time there out everyone is gonna have there 2003 models out

[Angry Man]

The emag will never become more popular than the angel, but it doesn't have anything to do with performance. The angel has a brand name; I was talking with my tippmann loving friend (doesn't have a marker but thinks that flatline tippmanns are as good as it gets)and the only marker I could convince him was better than a tippmann was an angel. The fact is that more big teams use angels and they're advertised better.

And emags aren't as super incredible as everyone says. Other markers can shoot 20bps too, other markers have good trigger pulls, and other markers can not chop and weigh less/are balanced better. Emags are awesome, I'm not saying a word against them, just saying that WDP has reason to be proud of the angel, and that it's things like what they said that pissed all of you off that keep them so successful.

My friend added "angels are SO fast, some fields ban them." They have the hype behind them, and WDP is just trying to keep it that way.

[Cliffio]

Originally posted by Fred
and I noticed the weight difference.

depending on what ir3 you were holding


the CNC is only 2 oz ligher than a stock ir3


Cliff

[Bulldog]

I feel so warm and toasty now, my sig was mentioned. :)

[wes]

Originally posted by Fred


What brand of crack are you smoking???

i think its called angel love juice or somting

[Phweedo.com]

If you are going to get technical drx975,

The Matrix fills all those catagories as well, so you must give credit there. It has a mechanical anti-chop system ( a la Trinity) and it can fire 20+ bps.

[pito189]

Originally posted by magman007
ummm cnc Extreme? there lighter than the fly angels......

They are lighter that is true. But where can you buy a CnC at??? You can go to any store in your area, order a Fly Ir3, and have it within 3 weeks in any color you want.

If you can get that now with an CnC you are either Tom Kaye himself or God.

Thats the simple fact Ir3's are WAY more available to the public right now.

[WhoDaresPlay]

Re: WDP makes false claims

Originally posted by drx975
1-WDP says "The IR3 has COPS (Crystal Optical Pinch Sensor), this is also patented and is the only non-optical anti-chop system on the market today, COPS has no external components or wiring."It's actually called Crystal Operated Paint Sensor. The simple fact that PB2X couldn't even get the name right shows instant "credibility" on accuracy. Not to mention, when COPS was released it was the only one one the market, LVL10 had not been released to the public or beta tested at the time.

2-"The COPS is allows users to crank the ROF up to 20 balls per second....There is nothing out there that shoots as fast as the IR3."They're not lying. The CMROF on COPS is 20bps. They never said the marker will shoot 20bps (no one can pull the trigger that fast) but rather the CMROF can be set to 20bps.

I think I would email WDP about this but I dont think it would make a difference, they won't listen because they dont have to. This is why people think they have the best gun -- they dont know that companies are lying to them.

I think before making claims or writing petitions you should at least understand the content of the article and the way the IR3 functions.

It would be like me saying: "The E-Mag sucks because I said so." When in reality I would never say that because I've never owned one.

[drx975]

Im OK with everything you said but this

2-"The COPS is allows users to crank the ROF up to 20 balls per second....There is nothing out there that shoots as fast as the IR3."They're not lying. The CMROF on COPS is 20bps. They never said the marker will shoot 20bps (no one can pull the trigger that fast) but rather the CMROF can be set to 20bps.

You missed the point. The point is that WDP thinks that no other gun can shoot 20bps when clearly the Emag can. Its nothing pivotal in the sport of paintball, just something I wanted to point out; that hype isnt always true. And come on people, give me a break already, let me say something without it being shot down. Any time I bring up something like this, it gets shot down by some Cocker or Angel user. Notice how I didnt list people who own guns like Spyder, Tippmanns, Impys, Timmys, Shockers, Draguns, Matrices, (and Mags of course), etc.

And Phweedo.com, sorry I didnt include Matrices or any other gun capable of firing 20bps, because I am honestly not familiar with those guns. I dont use electronic guns, because I dont feel the need to :).

[WhoDaresPlay]

Originally posted by drx975
You missed the point. The point is that WDP thinks that no other gun can shoot 20bps when clearly the Emag can.

No, didn't miss the point.

Air systems all claim to have the highest flow and best recharge. People don't cry bloody murder and write petitions to SP when someone proves them wrong.

I honestly could careless if my marker can shoot 20bps or not, and I'm a die hard Angel/WDP supporter.

Tell me now, in manual semi-auto fire, who can honestly sustain much over 14bps, let alone 20.

[Cliffio]

im with whodares, i mean i dont shoot over 13 anyways, so whats the difference

[dcmander]

Originally posted by Cliffio
im with whodares, i mean i dont shoot over 13 anyways, so whats the difference

Well the point is WDP made false claims...But most companys do. That's marketing. That's business. That's life.

Just causes AGD doesn't do it as much as (or not at all..I woudln't know) doesn't mean that is a huge sin for other companys to do it. It's just in the sport, just gotta ignore it and shake your head. (or you fist, if you wish )

[WhoDaresPlay]

false claims, black smoke, whatever you wish to call it... they make an excellent product and provide excellent service.

[Doc Nickel]

And if we wish to pick the truly fine nits, most of us- including you, me, Tom, Dick and Harry- can only rarely exceed even ten shots per second.

Yes, in short bursts a few can exceed that, but even those very fast individuals simply cannot sustain that- by the end of the day, it's down to around 5 to 8/sec.

But, to use the automotive analogy, speed sells. The Viper and Corvette guys will argue top speed and accelleration times, quarter-mile times and skidpad power... But few places outside Germany's Autobahn allow anything in excess of 65 mph.

Anything faster than that is largely irrelevant, but that doesn't make the 'Vette and Viper crowd argue any less.

The COPS system is a clever way to incorporate an internal ball-position sensor for an electronic gun. Why add a bunch of parts and complexity to use an LX-type mechanical antichop to something like the Angel, when the electronics do the job as well?

The L-10 system is also an extremely clever way to add chop resistance to a mechancial gun. Why add a pile of electronics to the gun to get what this one does with a few parts?

Both sides have valid arguments, and "Angels suck!" or "'Mags Suck" are sadly not valid arguments, they are opinions- and like strings, every yo-yo has one.

Doc.