3-Man Tournament + Emag Probs +WF Probs + HALO Probs

[raehl]

Heh...

I think Havoc and I are on the same tongue-in-cheek egomaniac page here.

- Chris

[Havoc_online]

Sorry but I seriously doubt that.

I always feel I don't know enough and must learn more. I only commented on what I thought to be solvable problems as far as I would handle the situation and you flamed me, the paint swelling as much as you said I also think MAY be a slight exageration.

[Beaver]

Re: 3-Man Tournament + Emag Probs +WF Probs + HALO Probs

Wahhh! Cry me a river.

Originally posted by raehl

Well, that's my comments for today. Hopefully they won't start too many flame wars.

Sounds to me like you're looking for a fight.

Here's an idea: Don't play in the rain and don't use crappy paint like RP Advantage in a Warp Feed. In all your egomaniacal brilliance you should at least know that RP Advantage and Warp Feeds don't mix well. That coupled with swollen paint is going to give you bad results. Deal with it.

The HALO and Warp Feed are high performance devices that work well, but are picky. The HALO feed neck is not too small. Any larger and you start "snaking" the ball stack and causing feed issues.

It's pretty simple. You have to change your setup when you play in the rain. Putting a shroud over the end of your barrel, putting tape over the port in the PF hole, putting the hopper back on top, etc.

Grow up. You cry about all of your problems like they're huge engineering defects and you're playing in the worst conditions possible. You've figured out your problem and know how to fix it, so fix it. Don't come here looking for a flame/fight and then flame a member of this forum with your egotistic acerbity.

[raehl]

Geeez....

The post wasn't about the equipment sucking. The post was about the equipment sucking in the rain, and like it or not, sometimes you have to play in the rain, and sometimes you have to play with the paint they give you at the tournament. If products don't work in all paintball playing condutions, then they are by definition flawed - or as you call it, "picky". I love the warp and halo, but as I pointed out, NOT when it gets humid when they don't function at all! The whole reason I have an E-Mag is that it ALWAYS works, and I'd like the same out of my other equipment. If I get on the field and I can't get a ball out of my barrel when I pull the trigger but everyone else on the field can, that's an equipment issue.

As for swelling, I'm not saying the paint swelled a lot - in fact, my whole point is that the paint only swelled a little, but that was still enough to jam the HALO, just like a little bit of goop on the paint is. Get a broken ball in your hopper for whatever reason and it's quite possible that the paint just won't drop due to the narrow feed neck, which near as I can tell, doesn't provide any benefits. (At least not on the B - on the A, I can see the anti-boggle use).

As for my tone, Havoc made a judgement based on information that wasn't accurate, and I'll cop to reacting to that, and Havoc gets my respect for his measured response. But lets not go tossing the entire blame for a heated debate on me here, heh. I don't think anyone here is being terribly serious.

As for starting flame wars, I made that comment because I *KNOW* AO has a good chunk of product worshippers who will defend any AO community product (automags, warp feeds, HALOs) religiously without there being any chance they'll take the time to analize the data, and I was pretty sure they'd come out of the woodwork for that post even though I really wanted the opinions of everyone else.


- Chris

[gatorchris]

Here's an idea: Don't play in the rain

I suppose we shouldnt play in conditions that at tournament is running in? Sometimes we dont have a choice, sounds like a recballer attitude. You pre-pay entry, and they decide to hold it in a deluge, you get out there and shoot. I agree with your findings on pouring rain and the B. I was shooting ultra-evil in my last tourney and had something similar happen, mine happened to be paint sticking together though and exploding in the catch cup of the B. At least with a revvy it would have chopped it down in the feedtube/barrel area and I could squeegie it fairly easy. I do not agree that a revvy is more valuable because it feeds in all conditions. You dont drive a diesel tractor to work instead of a gas engine car do you? Keep one of each and use them as the conditions dictate. The B will get the majority of usage but there are times you will need something simple like a rev or ric.

Edit: One other thing, did you try to manually spin the drive cone to push the ball down past the curve? That works in cases where its just something on the ball like dirt (btw, why are you feeding paint with dirt or "goop" on it? That could be part of the prob) Premium I have never seen have this problem, especially advantage shell, but I only shoot fresh stuff. Is it possible this was a warehouse clearing tourney and you were shooting crap paint that was already in bad shape?

[raehl]

Nope...

This was fresh PMI Premium, no doubt about it - no one else had any problems with the paint that I heard of, which is actually pretty impressive given the weather.

I did try and force the paint through with the drive cone - which got me one smashed ball at the top of the feed neck, which then got goop on the rest of the paint. It definitely took ball-breaking force to do this, so I shouldn't be surprised, but since it wasn't woking already, it's not like I cared too much, heh. And the goop was more of a problem with the A version of the halo, which would break paint in the hopper. The B doesn't seem to do that. But back to the original point, why have anarrow feed neck that exacerbates these problems? Why not do away with it? I still think it's a design flaw as opposed to a feature.

- Chris

[gatorchris]

Only thing I can say is if the neck was larger it would cause more problems with small paint "snaking" in the tube. Since its a high end loader its designed with high end paint in mind, the small thin stuff like hellfire, evil, etc. Making it more favorable to all conditions will nerf some of its power. Would dropping the feed speed to 16-18 justify the price over an x board revvy? Obviously it wouldnt. It has to stay high performing to justify high price, you just have to suck it up and use the high end paint or deal with the consequences. Since car analogies are so easy, you wouldnt put 87 octane from Bob's gas into a porsche and not expect there to be problems in the engine.

[cphilip]

Well I did get reports of our Two Halo B's jamming this weekend that were a bit overfilled at first. May have also been the weather situation contributing too this. It rained all day here too. When they were unpacked a bit and loosly filled they then seemed to work fine the rest of the time. This was 32 degree team colors.

Not a good weekend here in the east for Paintball. Yes I am a bonified Rec player only and for that reason. I can just not play. Too Cold, Hot or rainy? I watch Football!

[Tom Sparkman]

I and a teammate also had problems with HALO-Bs jamming a couple weeks ago. It was humid in SoCal from the hurricane leftovers and 105 degrees. We were both using medium sized paint. Yesterday we switched to small bore (Hellfire and Evil) and had only 1 problem (100 degrees and still humid) - I had to shake it to get it to feed, after that it was OK.

Since small bore paint isn't always an option, I at least still have my Revo for those days...
Tom

[gatorchris]

Its surprising to read that. Ive shot semi-old big ball through it with no probs, only seen one jam, and I did the finger spin on the catch cup and was able to make it work. Dunno if you guys have dissasembled yet, but the feed tube is really quite simple to take apart (one screw holds the upper half on), and would be very easy to hand sand down some. I may actually caliper it to see how much material is there and how much could be removed. Since the feed tube is supported by the body when assembled Id imagine you could probably take off .05 off each half, which should be more than enough to handle seriously large paint.

[AGD]

Raehl,

Sell your warp and buy a new one, we have changed the mold and already have bumpers built in to keep the balls from jamming. Lets try and keep things calm here....

AGD

[Tron]

Originally posted by AGD
Raehl,

Sell your warp and buy a new one, we have changed the mold and already have bumpers built in to keep the balls from jamming. Lets try and keep things calm here....

AGD

LoL who will want to buy an old warp when there is a new one? But hey you need to make a buck just like everyone else. =)

-Tron

[raehl]

Calm? Where's the fun in calm?

Well, since I was already planning on scoring a level 10 - maybe I should grab a new warp feed while I'm at it. How is it that after I swore last year when I got the E-Mag I wasn't spending any more moeny on equipment I've managed to spend about $800 since? Hrm. Shiznitz.


And I was thinking about sanding down the feed neck too - and maybe just taking a hacksaw to the bottom half and just using the shells for the neck since I'd be running it into the warp. If Havoc is right about the whaever ya callsms that spread the warp disks out, that should solve the problems, right? And make my marker even MORE jerry-rigged than before! I figure if I've got the halo on the warp, it doesn't really matter how wide the feed neck is since the warp should pick up the slack.



- Chris

[Havoc_online]

a little info on the warp..

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50487