Worst and best bang for the buck. Mid range tourny guns.

[boomerfoxtrot]

the topic is Impluse.. don't waste your money.

Unless your getting a custom job.. like the Freak Factor Impluse. Or the Nasty Impluse, or even the Toxic Customs Impluse. $1000+

other then that, your going to spend WAY to much trying to make it fire like something you wish you would have bought to start with.

the new B2K2 are nice... and have a good low price on them. The are quick too.. but get yourself an RT or EMAG.. they are much faster.. and with LVL10.. mags are the best now. Before, the only reason Mags were not on top was b/c they CHOPPED way to much paint. But now, with LVL10... they don't chop!!!! Hopes this helps.. and Nitroduck has good info in this post about the recalls... very nice

[Automaggin2]

Originally posted by i-luv-my-rt
I'll start off by saying I would never buy an ICD gun. They are all together horrible. They have made so many "generations" and still havent really boosted the quality of the gun. I've heard good and bad about the BKO, i shot a display model and it reminded me of a cheap impulse. But for under 300 bux i guess it's a cheap way to go electro for tourney use.

You have got to be kinding. dont post false facts, because the B2k has been imporved so much over the past few years. look at the new 2k3 Bms, they have 2 piece barrels, ACE eyes, and badass milling. And for the generations, each generation has something changed on it. They either have board or internal changes or they have cosmetic changes. i cant belive you actually said that. how bout i say the Matrix is crap because stock it chops like a mofo.

[orderofreason]

Well, i'd have to say worst bang for the buck in the midrange for guns..... more than likely i'd have to state that ANYTHING by ICD. I've owned ICD guns, my friends currently own them. ICD tech support has been nothing but horrendous, the gun's CONSTANTLY go down (and no, it's not because of anything i do, i keep proper PSI input pressures and keep the regs at the right level.) On my team, there is a defiant that was purchased february of this year, and it finally started working for longer than 10 shots this past weekend. If ICD had the tech support that Smart Parts or Airguns has (which Airgun Designs nukes everyone...) i'd be impressed. When i hand a gun over to an ICD tech (apparently a guy named Adam, the head tech) in Pittsburg, i kinda expect the gun to be working when i gas it up, not leaking like crazy out of the solenoid and LPR (another trip back to ICD...whee....)

I currently own a vision impulse and maxflow. By far, it's the best investment i ever made on a paintball gun. There are techs everywhere, (not that i need them, nothing goes wrong) it fires like crazy and doesn't have a ram that uses a spring (which, when snaps, causes a nice 100 dollar repair, something i found out with a defiant). Overall, the impulse is a better version of the Bushmaster/Defiant.

Best bang for the buck right now? I'd say impulses or RT LvlX automags. Level 10 mags are paint hoses and man...they scare people. I'm basing a lot of my decision on the support offered, and ICD fails....MISERABLY. Airguns? Flying colors. Smart Parts? I've had things shipped to my door overnight free of charge and the local SP techs are top notch. I might have to use one in the future.

The Order.

[magman007]

[Automaggin2]

Wow, so ICD has bad technical support? well, my friends reg blew, and he needed a new one for a tournament. hes call them up, and 2 days later, he has a brand new reg, and didnt evenhave to send his old one back. I cant belive people say this no sense. And i bet the reason your bushy is breakin down, is becuase, we all know, the stock reg sucks. Just like i said about my friends stock reg breaking. And i bet 100 bucks your running a preset tank right? well lets see, your runnin 850 psi into a crappy reg that has to work 5 times harder to regulate the pressure down to 250 psi compared to if you have a adjustable tank.

[Dubstar112]

Well, Im starting to have faith in my Impulse. I ordered an adjustable trigger for it. That should make it 100x better Im lookin at a FF mod. I guess, since I have the gun, I will put the money into it. I still have plans to sell it at sometime.

i-luv-my-rt.. this one has worked good when it worked, but those times are few and far between.. I hope to have that problem solved. And improve the reliabilty/performance with this new trigger. The stock one has so much play, that if you push it to the side and pull back, it wont fire untill you let it go straight !!

[FeelTheRT]

The best bang for the buck is the classic Intimidator. Currently there has been a craze for the 2002 and GZ Timmies, but they do have a hefty price tag to them. The classic model shoots just about the same really so that is why i think the Intimidator is the best buy.

[orderofreason]

Well automaggin, if the stock reg sucks ont he bushmasters, doesn't that mean you've just added more to the price tag of the gun by having to buy the asa and a new reg? Oh, and dont' buy anything other than a vigilante, because everything else voids the warranty apparently (that's from another ICD tech.) And if i took you up on that 100 dollar bet, you would have lost. Horribly. I ran a macdev conquest into the gun running at 300 PSI output into the reg. Now that could have caused shootdown, but blowing up everything shouldn't have happened.

If i wanted to use a preset tank, i would get the preset piston for the inline regulator that ICD installs if you request it. Dont' make like i dont' know anything about paintball markers because you got lucky with ICD, i've probably called them about a dozen times and all i get is the runaround. When you tell them that you've had the gun worked on 6 or 7 times by ICD techs AND IT STILL DOESN'T WORK, then they say "well, send it in and we'll get to it" it really doesn't give a good message to customers. Here's the message

"We know that your Defiant/Bushmaster isnt working. We know that 6 techs, including the head tech you handed it to at pittsburg's IAO couldn't fix it, charged you for the repairs and parts (we're at 200 bucks right now) and told you it works. That's not our problem, send it in and we'll get around to it. "

I'd like to go on record stating that Smart Parts FEDEXED me a vision board free of charge OVERNIGHT (!!) after the adjustment pot on mine went faulty because i mentioned i had a tournament.

Kindly do not make assumptions about my knowledge about markers.

The Order

[agdemagman69]

I started playing with an impulse, and i upgraded(i-frame, bolot, freak kit, internals,etc.) it over a period of a year. with the upgrades it cost me a total of about $950 then i sold it and got an emag....

The emag rocks because you dont need to upgrade it, and its soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much smaller.

[Nitroduck]

Just for the record , as of this month , ICD now puts gladiator regulators and verticle ASA addapters on b2k3s and bk0s.

Wow , doesn't ICD suck? they put $100 in aftermarket parts stock on thier guns , isn't that horrible? Oh yeah , gladiators don't void warranties either.

The reason they say that vigis and such don't void the warranty is becuase they can only go low pressure , if you run most regs that are hp or lp you can damage the gun by too high of pressure. Isn't that horrible, putting a part that can damage the gun will void the warranty! Doesn't that make icd a bad company , they void the warranty because a customers stupidity.


PS , i own a bm2k , so do 2 of my team mates , none of us have had any real problems with them.

[Nitroduck]

Originally posted by orderofreason

If i wanted to use a preset tank, i would get the preset piston for the inline regulator that ICD installs if you request it. Dont' make like i dont' know anything about paintball markers because you got lucky with ICD, i've probably called them about a dozen times and all i get is the runaround. When you tell them that you've had the gun worked on 6 or 7 times by ICD techs AND IT STILL DOESN'T WORK, then they say "well, send it in and we'll get to it" it really doesn't give a good message to customers. Here's the message

"We know that your Defiant/Bushmaster isnt working. We know that 6 techs, including the head tech you handed it to at pittsburg's IAO couldn't fix it, charged you for the repairs and parts (we're at 200 bucks right now) and told you it works. That's not our problem, send it in and we'll get around to it. "

I'd like to go on record stating that Smart Parts FEDEXED me a vision board free of charge OVERNIGHT (!!) after the adjustment pot on mine went faulty because i mentioned i had a tournament.

Kindly do not make assumptions about my knowledge about markers.

The Order

If know know so much about ICD stuff, you'd know that piston is installed in every single Bushmaster since serial number 7500.

Want to hear about my Smart Parts customer service stories?

I sent a Shocker into them for repairs because my local SP techs couldn't fix it. SP took 3 weeks to send it back. When I got it back, it was broken. I then called SP to get it repaired again, they sent me a faulty solenoid to fix it. After that, they sent me another solenoid that actually worked, but by the time I got 500 shots off of it, the gun went down again (3 days before a tourney)......After that I said screw SP and never went back ....Never had a problem with my Cocker or Bm2k ever.

[Thordic]

Intimidator is a great gun at a great price.

As for shooting fast, thats a close call. Intimidator is capped at 14 unless you get an SOB or Equalizer board. Emag is capped at 20, but most likely you won't even hit 14.

I think that shooting speed is about the same once you customize your Timmy trigger.

Straight outta the box, personally, I could shoot an emag faster. But the Timmy has a 3-point adjustable trigger, once you adjust that to suit your taste, and maybe change the trigger spring, you'll be ripping in no time.

I don't think that a classic mag will be out a Timmy or an Impulse, though. RT Pro, maybe, but not a 68 classic.

[orderofreason]

I apologize for being completely inferior for defending my statements for obviously being blatantly ignorant for not knowing about the preset piston.

I never once stated that i knew much about ICD, i just love this sarcastic "i bet you put a preset on there..." crack from automaggin.

Basically here's what i've discovered.

My experience with ICD has been horrible. Yours hasn't. This automatically makes me stupid. I like smart parts, also something that isn't good.... The bushmaster i owned and still have access to has a serial number in the low 2000's and the defiant is in the same area. I bought the bushmaster new. I have found ICD tech support to be less than spectacular, I am not responsible for the gun's failure due to the fact that i am properly following the specifications for recommended input and output psi and following the proper cleaning procedures. It would follow that the GUN's failure was either a problem during assembly (and no, i dont' take the gun apart, i remove the ram and clean and grease....) or just plain failure due to use and ICD has provided lackluster support. SO kindly get off your high horse. I posted my experience and was basically called stupid. I'm terribly sorry i didnt' conform to the mass hype around the BKO.

Again, my experience with ICD was horrific. Smart parts has treated me and a lot of my friends properly. (the shocker unfortunately does suck a lot of the time, and when it breaks down it usually stays that way....that's why i have an impulse.) ICD's Bushmaster is a great gun, but i would rather have the impulse (which comes with the maxflow regulator) for multiple reasons. Just because i've had good experiences with them doesn't mean i'm stupid. I've heard of people having bad experiences with AGD, but those are few and far between.

I am also aware WHY the vigilante was the only reg to do that, i just find it competely STUPID that the STOCK regulator on the gun sucks, which from my experiences with my old bushmaster, didn't.

[TRIAD]

Like SHartley said, this is an AGD forum, let's be nice. For starters, DO NOT EVER compare a 68 classic to a Timmy, or other similiar-priced gun. Obviously you guys haven't checked the price tags lately. And RTP with lvl 10 will be just as good as any electro out there, and there is less to go wrong. Emags are where it's at. New, with level 10, they're about 950, which is still less than some of these Nasty/Adrenaline Impulses, Angels, etc. It's the best bang for the buck IMO, and they work great, and have a very nice trigger design.

[Ov3rmind]

I didn't realize that we were getting into the higher price range. Well, than here's what I think:
For most things under $1000, I would suggest building yourself a Mag or a Cocker. Which you choose is up to you, it's preference. Past $850 though, the Emag is a great buy, and I would suggest getting that instead of building a Mag. If you are a Cocker person, Works Cockers and lower scale Freeflows will be good choices. Again though, you could also consider building your own Cocker. Above $1000, the Emag Extreme takes the cake, hands down! I can't think of a thing it doesn't have (maybe some wrap around grips with a slightly slimmer grip frame, but that's about it). It's got everything great about the Mag, but just better . Angels and Vikings are the only other high end electros I'd consider to come close, but I think the Extreme still has them beat.