Why I shouldn't go to an autococker

[FrAuStY]

I agree to some extent with Shartley, about people bashing mags and sometimes members here not giving them the credit they deserve.

I also agree with Mykroft, simply put the guy was wanting info why he shouldn't get a cocker. Mykroft was speaking honestly by saying he had nothing bad to say about them. I used to not like them... I got to shoot one a few time playing the other weekend. It was kinda nice.. nothing to write home about, but it wasn't as BAD as I thought it'd be.

My input for the subject matter would be:

If you want something and can afford it.. get it. You only live once, Once you're dead you can't take it with you anyway so it REALLY doesn't matter Imho they are just as good as other guns but not as dependable as your mag. Every cocker I have come across has had some problems.. wether it be shootdown after the first couple shots, crimping paint in the vert feed, or leaking from the front pneu's, they've exhibited problems just like other guns.

I can however say...in the 2 years I've had my mag.. never once has it leaked, or ehibited shootdown. It has however chopped paint (until LVL10). This goes back to the fact that everygun has its pro's and con's.. it's just a matter of how many pro's/con's you can deal with. I personally want my gun to function flawlessly everytime I play. The only gun I know of that can do this is a MAG.

Since you already own a mag.. don't go to a gun thats going to give you problems... that like going from a brand new Corvette ZO6 to a To a used Supra Turbo.. sure..they're both nice cars... they both go fast.. .but do you really want to deal with problems that can arise from the abused/used car? Don't think so. In the end... it's your money, your decision. I'll never buy another gun thats not AGD.. period.

[Badabing]

Once again THanx a lot for the responses. Shartley: I really thought about what you said, I just wanted to get opinions about cockers, I have decided to keep my rt because it is pretty much flawless. I just needed some advice from people who know about cockers. Thank you very much guys.


Badabing

[Snapps]

ah man.... after reading ur guy's replies i feel like $h*t...
see i was going to go cocker with my newly earned money (over 1k from working at a movie theater which is the best job... it is the best job!) anways i was going to go freeflow with millenium milling, nickel pnuematics, glossy blue annodizing with matching pro. 45 frame with roller sear and light pull, 68/45 or 45/45 maxflow and a richochet to top it off, now after reading ur guys *sniff* loyal agd product loyalty...it is almost making me want a emag...or xtreme emag--- but i like buttery pull--- but i like emag--- but i like backblock moving--- but i like magnets... see what trouble u have caused me!! D*mn u guys!!

[venturesomerite]

lets all play nice now... a persons going to shoot what they feel is the best. personaly i prefer cockers over mags. i respect those who dont. two of my die hard ballers who i see every day play with mags, but that doesnt stop us from being friends. dont be confused by the never ending mag/cocker fight, i dont think it will ever end. i was at one point going to get a mag, but instead didnt. but i have stayed on this forum because it is honestly THE best paintball forum i have EVER seen, so i give thanks to those who make it possible (those who buy AGD to shell the money to run this)

just try a cocker from a friend, or jsut ask some random guy if you can take a few shots. if youdont like it, stick with the mag. if you do, look into a cocker.

well, thats all i gotta say.
VENTURESOMERITE

[Lone Brain Cell]

Personal opinion. I love Mags!
And I agree with Shartley whole heartedly, You guys are on a MAG forum, Why are you here telling people that you shouldn't buy a Mag but instead buy a COCKER????? God damn it.
If you dont like a Mag don't come here. There is a big difference in saying "Try both and make your decision from there" and "Do yourself a favor and buy a cocker, they are sweet"

[FutureMagOwner]

well i have to say i LOVE my mag and wouldnt get rid of it. now that ive said that i played with my mag the first few games and it was working good so i descided to use my cocker for a few games(i just fixed the timing MYSELF noone else!!!) and its the best i have ever had it working since i bought it in april i simply love that gun now(before i endured it) i still love my mag but i have a whole new GREAT respect for my autococker now

id recommend you keep the mag and buy the autococker later if you dont like the mag however and you shot a bunch of mags and cockers to see if you like something and get that

also i believe this is called "paintball talk" and obviously if the guy wants something we should help them not say this is a MAG forum we must be biased!

[Marek]

I agree with FutureMagOwner (not about shooting a cocker, never tried one actually) Maybe another gun would be better suited for you. Another point is go out and understand why your gun is so good (Not because ppl tell you it is, because you feel that that is the best marker for you). And beyond that point, maybe you will find something else that you like. Maybe you will find things disapointedly horrible. My point being, try out different guns and see which one you like.

Everyone has different tastes and a marker that someone loves might be the wrong one for you. The idea that it isn't broke, don't fix it has nothing to do with it. I find it interesting just knowing about other markers and their respective upgrades, and maybe you do too. Hey, you did post it here for a reason. It doesnt hurt for your curiousity to venture outside the box. This forum is a medium for the voices of ppl to come and discuss/argue/agree/disagree on paintball topics, among other things. If you love what you have, great. If you dont, than keep looking. If your just curious, than good for you.

[shartley]

[Snapps]

hey shartley,
remember one time in the chat room, there was this really really really annoying kid who said he wanted you to adopt him...well im still waiting

[Slapp]

I suspect that most folks posting here have more than one marker and many have or have had markers other than AGD products. I get tired of reading Mag versus Cocker topics too but if AGD felt like squelching open discussion and praise of other markers they would not have an area of the Forums dedicated to Angel Owners.

I attended one of the Tech classes Tom held. In that class he was very supportive of folks buying other markers like Angels and Cockers since so many of us have several markers anyway. He has obviously done his best (and I believe successfully) to produce a superior product, yet there is plenty of room for personal preference and open discussion. That is one of the things that makes AO great! It's not all about Mag PR here although as you should expect, there is a ton of praise and appreciation for AGD and their products.

The fact that so many folks who own Impy's, Bushie's, Angel's, Cockers and other markers come here to read up on technical issues and seek out informed opinions speaks highly of the Mag owners and AO members Tom has built loyalty with through his company's excellent products, detailed research freely shared and customer support. The fact that AO has always been open to owners of other markers opinions and posts has probably won over plenty of them who now also own an AGD product.

Keep your RT. Wanting another type of marker as well to tinker with is natural so get yourself a cocker too. That way you can tinker with the cocker all you want and rest assured that your RT will always be there running like a champ in the event your cocker develops a bit too much personality.

[Marek]

Hehehe, poor guy that started this thread. About half of this has nothing to do with his initial discussion or question.

I guess some ppl r just set in their ways, even if it is narrow minded.

[puckmaster]

Shartley, I dont agree with you in some parts of what you said.
first-
Tom's idea for opening the forums to other markers show something about his character. He did not open this forum to make AGD "Nazis". He is not putting sublimital messages in your head that AGD is the best company of all. He is saying almost each company is good in there own way.
So if someone comes in here and askes "what is the best pump", and people are promoting Phantoms, you think it is disrespectful to AGD? Its not. But I do agree that it is disrespectful to come in here and start trashing mags or AGD products.

Its not disrespectful when someone recommends a type of gun to someone who asked. Each gun is special in its own way. A Phantom would be the best pump. The Spyder might be gun for a person new to the game, a mag would be the best Mechanical semi-auto. The Impulse or BKO might be the best low priced Electro. The Bushmaster 2000 might be the best mid-priced electro. An E-mag would be the best high priced electo. but some products made by AGD don't have the needs for Pro players. E-mags dont have an LCD timer, a 3 way pivot trigger, COPS, or anyother of that crap. So an Angel might be the way to go for that stuff. That, in my opinion, is not disrespectful.

NOT TRUE. look at this thread. It seems that Mags are called "the best bang for your buck."Im almost all of the posts. That is darn better than an honorable mention.

I do agree with you on some things you said in your post.

NOW, With his question- Stick with the Mag. It is a better Investment in the long run.

Now, I mean all this with respect to Shartley, AGD, and the different companies that i listed

[shartley]

Automags.org is the OFFICIAL Automags Owners Group. The site is owned and operated by Airgun Designs, and provides a place where players can come together and interact. Aside from a fun place to hang out and shoot the breeze on our forum or chat room, it is also the only place where you can get your questions answered by AGD technicians. Informative articles and information are also posted to help you get the most out of your Automag, RT, E-Mag, or WarpFeed.

[Marek]

Automags.org is the OFFICIAL Automags Owners Group. The site is owned and operated by Airgun Designs, and provides a place where players can come together and interact. Aside from a fun place to hang out and shoot the breeze on our forum or chat room, it is also the only place where you can get your questions answered by AGD technicians. Informative articles and information are also posted to help you get the most out of your Automag, RT, E-Mag, or WarpFeed.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. I dont agree with you though. Isn't this a free country?? If they think that a cocker is better than a mag, than they have the right too say that. Yes, even on the Automags forum. Why you say? Well, ppl have their opinions about things and reasons why they like something over another thing.

I read yesterday that one of the Moderators, BlackVCG would never upgrade his EMag to C&C Extreme body, because he does not like them (for reasons he mentioned). Thats his opinion, many ppl, including myself, respect his technical word and opinion. Does that mean he is against Extremes? Nopers, but just that he does not want that for his personal gun. It might not be proper, but there is no where in the rules that say plz be proper and agree with the majority of this forum. Now you want to ban ppl because they r not like u?? Thats the way it seems, since u come here and post novels about ppl r getting worse and no respect, and how back in your day u use to walk in 3 ft of snow uphill both ways. Give it a rest. If I post a thread about gettin a Timmy and want to know the thoughts of AO PPL that own Timmies, or have shot Timmys etc. for the the fact that on other places I really can't trust their word.

One thing that I have understood from being here, is that the ppl here dont play into the smoke and mirrors and lies of paintball makers. AO is known for being very technical and understanding towards how things in paintball works. And you bet, if I wanted to get another marker, I would turn here.

I can understand your point, but its wrong. Im sure your gonna post something that I dont no anything, or that i missed ur point or blah blah blah blah. I dont care. Read between all the lines you want. I think a person should have the right to say that they like a certain marker over another. I am not on this forum 24/7, but I know that when I am on here, I gonna learn the truth about things concerning paintball. That's why Im here, to learn about this sport, not to promote any kind of agenda.

[manike]

Go get a cocker. Hear me out...

That's what I did. I got what I truely believe to be the pinnacle of cockers. I have a very beautiful Spearhead Autococker with race frame in chrome and black, heavy hammer and AKA lightening delrin bolt, and it's a stunning marker. I love the back block and it's a great gun to play around with and dry fire.

It's been sat in my bag as back up since I got level 10.

And I don't mean since I got my C&C, I mean since I got level 10 in my RT. Since I got my C&C I would NOT use anything else in serious play. And I've been offered serious money to part with it but refuse.

If you don't yet have level 10 in your RT pro get it first. And then go try a cocker. I'd be suprised if you don't keep the RTP or come back to it.

By all means try a cocker, they are fun, and I do enjoy shooting mine, but when it comes to actually playing I pick up my C&C in preference or when it really counts (tournaments). I just use the cocker for fun now and then but increasingly rarely. It gets used more in my lounge than at the field...

I've tried everything going, and the process of trying is fun, but be careful in that you may regret it if you get rid of the mag to get the cocker. If you can have both, then power to you, otherwise make the step with care.

manike

(p.s. I didn't read most of the long posts above, anyone care to summarise? )