My Rainmaker

[Kevmaster]

VF, its not at all worthless, however i choose to get a little block on there to make it a bit smaller. you know, many will cap the reg with a smaller cap as opposed to the large cap that comes stock. i choose to go with an aftermarket block

[vf-xx]

Ok it's been bugging me Kev. What's all the milling around the barrel reciever?

[Timmee]

Originally posted by billmi

No, the backblock makes it larger, not smaller. Get rid of it, and it will be smaller. If you're not mounting the main reg on the back, there's no need to have that block hanging off the back, or the back piece of the bolt cover, it's just extra metal hanging off the back.

How do you keep your bolt cover on if the back piece of it is gone?

[Polishpickles451]

I don't get how this gun works. Is it some kinda of electro cocker?

[billmi]

I put a thumbscrew in the side of the cover that engages in one of the intents in the rail left behind from when the upper receiver was drilled for the bolts that connect it to the lower receiver.

You grab the screw, give it a twist (about 3/4 turn - for fast unlocking and locking - about 3 turns if you want the screw snug) and the cover slides off. The same to lock it down after removing the cover. You might be able to tap for and instal a 'cocker ball detent in the same spot that would lock it the way the ball lock on the back does, but I don't think there's enough room for that (nor have I ever taken the bolt cover off in a game to worry about the time difference in a couple of turns on a thumb screw).

As for *needing* to get rid of the back block, I don't think it's *necessary*, it's just a way to minimize overall length. Mainly when I said to get rid of the backblock, I was responding to Kevmaster who said "you do need a bacblock tho to make it more compact," which didn't make sense, considering that putting a backblock on would make it larger not smaller.

And vf-xx said "I make a remote look nice with my emag. "...

From a technical standpoint, I think remotes are a great idea - the 'gun is lighter and easier to carry and aim. However, the reality is if you play at a field where amateur and pro players play, or show up at an amateur or open class tournament, and you are using a remote, you will be percieved as a rookie, because they are no longer "hip" technology, just like if you were wearing BDUs or using CO2. They may do the job very well, but they will also effect how you are percieved.

And I just downloaded MindGuard from aminet, and will drop it into one of my A4Ks :-)

See you on the field,
-Bill "Yes, I used to work for C=" Mills

[Warped Designs]

Very nice Rainmakers
And whats up Kev no time no see.
I should have pics of my rainmaker up sooner or later hopefully before the end of month.
(I will link the page or attach the file maybe both).

[vf-xx]

Originally posted by billmi

And I just downloaded MindGuard from aminet, and will drop it into one of my A4Ks :-)

LOL!!! I havent had my 2500 up in SOOO long. If you're interested i've got a 500 with external hard drive, and a 2500 with accelerator.

Have you read about the Black Helicopters yet?

Back to the subject. I've seen mods to fit mag triggers to the RM, would the best way be to make a "body rail" for the rm? Maybe move the board up there and just screw in mag frames to that?

[Kevmaster]

VF: that is milling. i just havnt had the time(ok, the real reason is im getting my CNC and RM annoed together to match) to get it re annoed yet. it does look like crap now, but wait till its gold and black :) **cue evil laugh**

as for how a rm works. an "electro cocker" is a VERY common misperception. its more like an autotriggering pump gun with the ram as the pump arm. i dont know if that makes sense, but heres a diagram:

[Warped Designs]

Best explanation of what a rainmaker is that I have come up with is

"The rainmaker is the bastard child of a autococker and a vector"

It more favors the Vector because of
the anti pinch (unlike the vector the user does not need to reset it)
Bolt is back in the cocked position
4 way (solenoid) valve
Hammer and bolt are released at a given point after the trigger pull
Sound is actually made by the mechanics of the marker (changine barrels only helps so much)

Similarities with Autocockers
barrel thread
ram (even if it is electro timed)
vertical feed

Shared with both Autocockers and Vectors
relative positions of the bolt (upper chamber), hammer, main valve, springs (lower
chamber)
Cocks itself when gased up
Runs on low pressure
fires from a closed bolt (the bolt seals the breech before the gas is released on Vectors and Rainmakers)

[billmi]

The Rainmaker is the second generation Vector. It was designed by the same person who designed the Vector. Operationally it is identical to the Vector with the exception that the Vector's multicomponent trigger sear and control valve were replaced by an electropneumatic control valve and electronics.

Basically, he refined the Vector design by going to Cocker threaded barrels, and modular construction (several of the Vector components had to be custom machined for each gun). The RM's ram wasn't "taken" from the Autococker, it's the same ram layout and mounting method as used on the Vector (though one could argue that the 'Cocker and Palmer conversions used rams becore the Vector did).

Both the Vector and the RM are loud and innefficient in their air usage because It releases gas when it fires, and a second little "burp" when the hammer is pressed up against the valve during the cocking stroke, before the sear locks. Using a PACT shot counter, which counts shots based on sound, it allways counts double when measuring the ROF on an RM :-)

Like the Vector before it, the Rainmaker is an open bolt paintgun. "Open bolt" and "closed bolt" refer to bolt position at rest. Because of mid-90s hype about closed bolt paintguns being more accurate (and many of the open bolt semis of the day were less accurate than many closed bolt semis and pumps of the day, it was just due to overall design rather than bolt position) Air Power (makers of the Vector) used to say the Vector was a "Simulated Closed Bolt" paintgun, which is just market-speak for "open bolt." All paintguns, open bolt or closed bolt, fire while the breech is sealed by the bolt, not while it is open. The Rainmaker and Vector additionally fire a second burst of gas when the bolt is all the way open, but due to bolt layout, it doesn't get blasted straight down the center of the barrel.

Note also, the Autococker does not cock itself when gassed up. The trigger on the Autococker must be cycled in order to cock it, or the cocking rod must be actuated manually (but most folks cock it with the trigger, because that moves the bolt as well, to chamber the first ball).

See you on the field,
-Bill Mills

[folder504]

Ah, more Rainmaker owners. I love mine.

[CobraC]

Hahahahahaha... VF doesnt have a mag, he doesnt even play paintball. His mom wont let him so he tells us he does, just so we think he is cool.

[vf-xx]

ha ha cobra. Here's my emag: http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...threadid=51041

I"m honestly surprised that my rm is getting more feedback than my emag, as I think i've done some pretty radical stuff to the emag
but oh well.

Today i finally finished tapping all the holes on the gutted reg so tonight it goes together. yay!

[Kevmaster]

agreed bill. the RM really has nothing in common with the cockerthat other guns dont also share(vert feed, cocker barrel threads, rams--yes an impy/bushy have rams).

it is truely an airstar vector with the triger/sear action electricized(mmm...sure!) and is also very close to an autotriggering pump marker(when you are pulling the trigger constantly and pumping it back and forth)

a couple of people have made grip frame adapters for the RM to adapt Angel or Bushy girps onto the RM. so long as you can fit the board in there and the grip can be fitted with a microswitch on the trigger, i dont see why ANY grip frame cant be put on there. www.geocities.com/badmojowerks will do this kind of a block for you.

[ScottQ]

Rainmaker!? Yes please!

I own the Rainmaker Owners Group over at the BEOG. Check it out http://rainmaker.flipty.com

I am also Kevmasters teammate!

Chris-that was me at the tournament using the tricked RM :)





I have all the BMW upgrades such as the blade trigger w/ switch, Delrin bolt,macmount, SS bolt link etc. Milling, Ano, Polished internals, Superflow fittings, Milled cupseal stem, Lapco Barrels, lapco vert feed, ANS Jackhammer 2, AA vigilante with LP spring, Dynaflow 68/45, Bushmaster Eclipse highrise, KM2 Galeforce with blue led.

Bill Mills has nothing on me


I am currently building a RM which will have a Ir3 gripframe, and annoed to match my other RM.