What marker is better than an Emag (both versions)?

[manike]

Originally posted by paint magnet
the Emag is an open bolt gun and obviously the Angel is not.

The Angel very definitely IS an open bolt gun. Always has been.

But what the heck does open or closed bolt have to do with it anyway? People will always compare to see what shoots best.

I've had most guns, and used all the top end markers. If there was anything better I would use it.

I use a C&C extreme :)

I kind of agree with Cliffio that once you get to the top end thent it's pretty much down to personal choice. I do however think there is an advantage in the compact/low profile design of the Extreme for the way I play. I also think it's an advantage in that it so, so rarely breaks paint.

manike

[Thordic]

Ahhhh!! noooooo

After meeting manike, I read all his posts while hearing his silly little accent in my head.

*sobs*

[manike]

Originally posted by Thordic
Ahhhh!! noooooo

After meeting manike, I read all his posts while hearing his silly little accent in my head.

*sobs*

Jealousy is a bad thing!

It's ok I've now left the country so you'll have a chance with the ladies again... (that's if you had one to start with... doh! )

manike

[JEDI]

I dont see why any gun couldn't be compared with another regardless of operation style. Its primary function is to shoot paint. Manufacturers come up with a design that they feel will do this best. I honestly believe the only compition is between a Cocker and a EMag. EMags rule in every aspect, but you cant dispute the ability of a good Cocker. All other guns are just trying to keep up with these two. Emag wins in the end though.

[Cliffio]

Originally posted by JEDI
I honestly believe the only compition is between a Cocker and a EMag. All other guns are just trying to keep up with these two.

have you been takin bong rips this morning?


anyways, i dont see what this thread is really all about other than bashing other guns, i mean ok we get it, emags rule but trying to ask what gun is better? come on of course everyone here will say the emag because of level 10, (which i saw chopping this weekend thank you) and the some garbage about how fast they will shoot, which everygun can shoot fast than any human (electro)

this thread is just stroking everyones ego, how oh special my gun is


come on folks, what is the real point of all this?

im not trying to win any battles here, i havent said what gun i prefer because everyone knows, but it comes back to if there were some magical tourny gun everyone would shoot it

Cliff

[JEDI]

I wish I had been taking bong hits, but I dont see what that has to do with what I said. I was trying to imply that Emags and Cockers are really the only two guns in my opinion that have a noticeable performance advantage. I like my cocker. Its acurate, its consistant, and its fast for a mechanical. The Emag is very fast, simple, consistant, and is way ahead of any other electro. Most other guns are just fairly fast clones with no notable performance.
I agree that we wont get too many non-Emag answers in this thread, but we're mag owners, we already saw the light.

[hitech]

Originally posted by Cliffio
I mean ok we get it, emags rule but trying to ask what gun is better?

Come on guys, if your going to say the EMag is better you also have to say WHY.

In the end, I hope to show that there is VERY little difference. I personally believe that the Emags manual mode and level 10 give it the edge. Manual mode is a great insurance policy and nothing is easier on paint than level 10 (when setup correctly).

[Cliffio]

Originally posted by hitech
nothing is easier on paint than level 10

what proof do you have that it works better than ace or cops?
in fact could you not say that lx is the worst on paint? seeing as lx must first hit the ball? where as cops and ace detect it, so that no shot can occur

jedi- can not any gun be accurate, consistant and fast?

[cphilip]

Actually (this is the way I understand it all) all bolts hit the ball that is "waiting to enter" on the next shot. Just barely, but they do. And Lvl 10 hits them with less speed when it does. But then speeds up after that point to deliver fast recycling. Two speed bolt is the key thought here. And after that issue is past, no marker actualy "strikes" the ball that is being shot... a blast of air does...So that is the way it reduces ball breakage. By not damaging the ball that is waiting to enter. Those damaged balls sometimes missfeed and chop or sometimes will even break down the barrel later. It not only minimizes chops by stopping on the ball if it missfeeds but it cuts down on those "waiting" balls that may be damaged by the bolt passing by at high speed. So lets not just use the word chop here. Lets look at down the barrel breaks as well. It does help both. Almost eliminates then as a cause of ball breakage. As wew know there are soem factors left that cause balls to break that cannot be eliminted by anything. But a good percentage of them appear to have been this "damaged waiting ball" issue. At least thats now the observation we are seeing in the field.

Cliffio the real point here is its also applicable to a mechanical marker. And it does work. I have no applicable data to show you at this time just observations. But ACE will not do anything for the damage to the ball from this passing by and nicking it. Lvl 10 will. You can indeed slow down the speed of any markers bolt. But making it speed back up half way through the travel to retain ROF is not there on anything else. Thats the real genious of this thing.

However combined they are an awesome duo. I will give you that. But ACE when working does slow rate of fire slightly. It has to have time to think. But put those two things togther and its a fearsome duo.

[hitech]

Originally posted by Cliffio


what proof do you have that it works better than ace or cops?

None. I believe, based on my personal experience with level 10, that it is the easiest on paint. When you combine ACE and Level 10 I believe you have a marker that is the easiest on paint. I offer no proof, only opinion.

In case anyone is curious, I have broken (chopped) paint with my level 10 'mag. I had to have a very misshapen paintball that would not feed into the breach. My warp was constantly running (12 volts w/o a capacitor) putting pressure on the ball stack. I continued to fire until the bolt was able to rotate the paintball enough to allow the bolt to travel it's full stroke. It broke the paintball in that case. So far, that is the only way I have been able to break a ball.

[Cliffio]

Re: What marker is better than an Emag (both versions)?

Originally posted by hitech
I wonder if anyone can come up with something OTHER THAN PERSONAL PREFERENCES

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Originally posted by hitech
I believe, based on my personal experience with level 10...

i thought you wanted to keep personal preference out of this?




also, i played this weekend with illinois state, and a friend of mine had LX in his rt, now given i was chopping paint as well, more than him in fact, but he was still chopping quite a bit, lets not act like it ONLY chops on oddly shaped paint, and im sure it was tuned properly, or very close, it was bad paint, yes, but still
ive yet to see any advantage to lx, it was neat sticking my squeegie in his feedtube and pulling the trigger tho

[cphilip]

LOL! well I does always come down to that though doesn't it? No way to keep that out.

[hitech]

Re: Re: What marker is better than an Emag (both versions)?

Originally posted by Cliffio
i thought you wanted to keep personal preference out of this?

I do. Personal experence/opinions are not the same as preferences. A preference is prefering the feel of on trigger over another, preferencing the looks of one marker over another. Believing that level 10 is the easiest on paint even though I can't prove it is different.

BTW, when the Angel first came out, it was better than anything else. The electronic trigger gave it an advantage over every other marker, in my opinion. I now believe that the level 10 bolt gives the Emag(s) an advantage now.

[Cliffio]

Re: Re: Re: What marker is better than an Emag (both versions)?

Originally posted by hitech
Personal experence/opinions are not the same as preferences. A preference is prefering the feel of on trigger over another, preferencing the looks of one marker over another. Believing that level 10 is the easiest on paint even though I can't prove it is different

i dont see your logic here, so i can say that since ive owned an emag and an angel i can say, that i believe the angel is better, altho i cant prove it, that makes it so?

Originally posted by hitech
BTW, when the Angel first came out, it was better than anything else.

it still is, but thats neither here nor there

[shartley]

Nuff said....