Tourney coming up... not pleased with mag.

[Vegeta]

I can't believe I am wrting this.. but...

Last month I went out and played some real hardcore ball with my mag. I really enjoyed the experience, except there were a few minor p[orlems that, might possibly, have lost me a few games.

I am using co2. I would like to switch to N2, but there arn't any places to get n2 fills around here. The local filed only fills co2 (and does a poor job at that).

I was seeing considerable shootdown while playing, even thought it was 95 degrees out. I have tried expansion chambers and do not like them. They reserve too much gas and make degassing with a pin valve tank a *****.

All day I saw my friend usign a spyder perform flawlessly.

I have also been in the market for an electro for a while. I thought about getting a booyah or elcd frame for my mag.. but I figured it would just add to my shootdown problems even more.

I see now that there are e99 and spyders down in the 150$ range and am actually thinking about getting one. I am forming a team for a coming tourney and I have the only mag. The field I play ta rents mags, and I am looking for somehting to differient myself from the people renting.


I'm not sure if I really want to get a new gun.. but I am not sure of how well my mag will peform in cold weather up against these kids with 140$ e-spyders that work great on co2.....

[Halliday]

Have you tried cleaning the reg seat and oiling the marker to get rid of the shootdown?

What kind of co2 tank? Mounted how? Last summer, in a hot July, I had poor performane using a Mag w/ a vert 9oz Brass Eagle co2 tank. When I treid a 20oz no-name tank it was much better.

[yeahthatsme]

e-99s are on sale on paintballgear.com for $125. :)

[rhetor22]

if ur gunna run co2, you NEED an X. At least an anti siphon!! I don't have anti siphon yet, but i'll get it as soon as I have some free time to make a fitting.

If you don't want to use an expansion chamber or anything, then get the spyder. It'll work much better on co2.

[HoppysMag]

the gun , no mater what kind it is, never looses the game, its the person behind the gun that looses the game... mags need HPA to perform great if you cant do HPA dont use a mag, and so what if an xchamber aint great on degassing... if you want a high performance gun you gotta get high performance accesorys. if you aint up to that than dont get a nice gun.

and if you get HPA then you will never have problems with cold weather... dont blame the gun...


Edited part is in bold, i thought most people would be able to comprehend what i ment but i guesse not.

[FreshmanBob]

Back a few years ago with my original mag i used co2 and found a few things that can really help.
Definately invest in an antisiphon tank, the bigger the better. You want a good 16 or 20 oz tank to be a few ounces under filled to act as a large expansion chamber. The larger tank has a larger area to absorb heat an expand the co2.
Also, those 8 hole mods an on/off tops that everyone says are useless can really make a difference with co2. I don't know why, but they really did it for me but I don't need them with n2. Get your self an aluminum 8 hole an one of the ANS 15 dollar on/off tops and that will help a lot. It will also lighten up the gun a bit.

[Jack Napier]

My old minimag worked great on Co2. I'm not so sure about the size, but I used a 4oz tank as an expansion chamber. That tank/expansion recieved a lot of wierd looks. So to say mags only work on N2 is ignorant.

[rhetor22]

when using straight co2, and firing more than 100 balls in a minute... i'd say mags flat out suck.

I run co2 with mine, but i have an X. It makes a huge difference. Its still nothing like n2, but its oh so much better than straight co2.

I don't quite understand how its that much of a pain to degass with an X when it improves performance so much, but thats your preference, and i can't tell you otherwise.

DO NOT get a booyah if you're gunna use co2. That aint gunna happen.

If you don't want to get an X, remote, or antisiphon, then an electro spyder would make you much happier. They're also cheaper. I'm sure you could find someone to trade their spyder for your mag + cash.


Just my advice. :)

[HoppysMag]

Originally posted by Jack Napier
My old minimag worked great on Co2. I'm not so sure about the size, but I used a 4oz tank as an expansion chamber. That tank/expansion recieved a lot of wierd looks. So to say mags only work on N2 is ignorant.

Where in there did i say it only works on HPA? all im saying is if he wants the best performance he has to put in the best stuff. and if i was you i would read AND comprehend what it is others said before you talk and start calling people ignorant.

EDIT: i edited my first post to make it easy to understand

[FrAuStY]

Originally posted by yeahthatsme
e-99s are on sale on paintballgear.com for $125. :)

Just out of curiosity, why did you only post a response, that would lead him to buy equipment other than agd? Why not post that, and also try to help him with his current problem? I mean as said before.. this is AUTOMAGS.ORG right.. not E-99Spyder.org or whatever...

Anyway,

vegeta.. not sure if this will help or not..but who knows. Try tightening the velocity adjuster all the way in, the back it out and re-chrono the gun. It could be that the spring cold cold enough to bind up.. now it doesn't regulate as consistently. The reason I say this is I know several people who play here in Florida (80-105*) almost year round, and never have any problems. I also remember in the manual about consistent shootdown problems and it was attributed to the reg spring binding (sticking) in the adjuster. The correction would be as I explained.

As said before try the exchamber... also..don't know if you knew this or not.. but with an x chamber.. if you dry-fire the gun while unscrewing the tank.. it will lower the pressure released and keep your o-ring damage to a minimal.
The problem is not the gun. A friend and I shot 1000 rds with his mag.. nothing fancy, regular old automag 68.. on a non-anti siphon 20 co2. No problems.. no shootdown what-so-ever.

Personally I love mags.. everything about them. Simplicity, reliability, cost, maintainence(or lack thereof ), and the looks are kinda sexy in the own unique way . I do however dislike seeing people sell their MAG for a FRICKIN SPYDER! C'mon. Everyone should know that when it comes down to it.. mags are higher quality guns than spyders. Thats like selling a ferrari to buy a kia think about it. If anything buy HPA and a scuba, you'll never look back. That's my 2 pennies

[*ArKfEaR*]

You can run c02 on a mag you just need to know how.

Some kind of Air filter, i believe AKA makes a good one.

Male Palmer Stabalizer.

Female Palmer stabilizer/ maxflow reg (if you can find one)

And you will be fine.

I seen a really nice mag on Co2.

Chrome Minimag V/F Body.
Chrome Eclipse Body Kit.
Chrome Kapp ASA
Nickel Palmer Stabilizer
Nickel Intelliframe ( black dye stickies)
Evolution II
Level 10
SS Hoses
Full freak SS new style back, 12" teardrop black tip
Black Shocktech micro drop
Silver New Style Max-flow reg from Imuplse.(kid luckily had a tricked silver imp and used AIR with gladiator reg so no maxflow needed)

It rocked +/- 4 - 5 All day long.
He also used one of those 68 cu shocker Co2 tanks as well.

I saw him at the feild about a week ago. Cool kid, and new what parts goes good with. He had alot of guns as well, and i asked him why he had nitro on all his other guns but his mag. He said he build it this way cause first off he knew it would perform great with most of the parts, especially with mags rep, so he said why not make a really good mag but on c02 to prove that they can run on c02 as well.

He had some kind of slide check + quick disconnect + air filter before entry into mag A.I.R valve.

[Vegeta]

Hey don't get me wrong- I haev been a part of these forums for a long time. I would not get rid of my mag. But seeing a guy with a spyder, with a e-frame, running co2... thru a remote that was hte size of ircoline.. and not having hardly any shootdown, made me envious.

One time i ran the snake... all the way down, till i got near the end. I snapped and shot about 10 rounds, real fast, and a man near the center, then went down, and turned my target to the guy wit hthe e-spyder behind this bunker. He ran out and i went to shoot... my first ball went about 20 feet, boucing at the guy's feet, and the second ball went maybe ten feet. I got hit 3 times in the lower mask/neck area from him.

My day hadn't been going well. I didn't really feel safe around the fillign shack with some idiot filling without any form of measurement...

Then my marcoline blew, which I know I shouldn't have been using marco with co2, but it was all that I had... my steel braided hose isn't quite long enough and interferes with my trigger finger.... but I ended up having to intall it.

Overall everything else went great. I got about the same elims as the guy with the e-spyder, but I was not up to par....


And my whole team uses sypders and it seem's I am hte only one who ever has problems.

It would be nice to have a plamer stab but I can't shell out 85-95$ for one.

I have an expansion chamber but it leaks, and like I said, is hard to degass with.


It just peevs me to see people with lower grade markers beign able to shoot faster and more reliably that me, even thought I spent 60-100$ more for my marker.

[Vegeta]

Oh and don't try to educate me on what I need for my marker; I know what I need. I just can't afford them and be able to play.

[dropkick1]

what about getting an impulse or shocker? shockers have come down in price and work well on anti-siphoned CO2, or just get anti-siphoned CO2 for your mag, that should help a lot and geta smart parts on/off valve on the CO2 tank.

ken

[Tunaman]

You dont have to be able to afford it....one hand washes the other. Send me the gun and it will be CO2 ready when you get it back. This ones on me Veg!