ATTN: South Jersey/Philly area AOer's

**Kaiser Bob** · 10-02-2002, 05:43 PM

Paintball field with amenities... very cool. :) Definitely sounds like a paintballers paradise and they put forward lots of start up capital, hopefully all the NJ players will flock to it and throw down the cash to keep this baby running :)

**SHAG** · 10-02-2002, 06:14 PM

humm...

Hi,

Hummm... Sounds like it's a really expensive place. The think that gets me is the fact it's a paintball version of a country club. However, not being able to view the rates, I really cannot comment as much i would like.

Having a yearly due is a great idea. It allows the field operator to make better decesions for the field. If you know how much you can spend in a given year, you will work with it. I am suprised alot more fields don't follow this concept. I think alot more of them would be able to stay in business.

A field that can give a compentent and consistant 4500 PSI air fill with a top off policy is a good thing as well. Most fields in NJ say they can fill to 4500 PSI but they generally will fill to about 4000 PSI.

The paint is another issue with the field. How much is going to cost? With the kind of ammendities that SM presented, you have to wonder. There are a few fields in NJ that sell paint at $125 a case. They are outdoor fields. Do I go to these fields? No! :) Then you have the more moderately priced fields that people complain about like Top Gun.

People complain at $80 a case. People if you complain about the cost of the paint, you should question your commitment to the sport. There are a number of older players on the board can tell you that paint use to cost 10-20 cents shot. Today, players as well as field owners are spoiled by lower paint prices and increased competition.

When I first started playing Paintball on a regular basis in 1997, paint was about 5-6 cents a ball depending on the place you when to. The paint was not the greatest either. Today, the paint is the best it could ever be. It's rounder, consistant in size and weight, and chronos tighter. Today, if you cannot achieve a chrono range of 2 or 3 fps, the paint is considered junk. Look at all the crazy research Tom did with paint. His paint test is something from the original AGD Automag Manuals!

Today we complain if the price of paint is too high. I guess when we are getting a case for about $50 bucks which was wholesale only a couple of years ago :) It's too expensive. If the gun, breaks one ball. The batch might be bad.

Back to the main post reply. Paint. If the price for paint is like $100-115 a case, will we as players think it's too expensive to play there?

Field Fees. Just because you a yearly due it probably means you will get a discount for entry if nothing else.

Overall, sounds like a nice place. I am suprised nothing like that has tried to open up here in the northern half of the state. Afterall, I believe Bergen and Morris counties are the richest in the state with both also rating in the top ten of richest counties in the country.

Time will tell. However, I support the innovative idea of the field. I hope it does succeed.

Later,
Alan

**Mango** · 10-02-2002, 07:01 PM

SHAG: I did not post paint prices because they have not been finalized yet. But, it will be very friendly and most likely around $80 a case. They will also have a day every weekend that is BYOP!!!!! They are for the players trust me. They also plan to have 3 grades of paint, with prices much like Fireball Mountain, if not the same. They know that they want to draw lots and lots of players. And will recoup the loses in the long run.

**1stdeadeye** · 10-02-2002, 07:29 PM

I've already called!

I am playing phone tag with them now.

I have talked with the other players on Team Mag-Net and we are going to give them a shot. If it works out, this may very well become our homefield. We will decide that at our practice Sunday.

Very tough decision now. Do I go out and support Paintball Invasion on their Grand Opening or go to the AO Day in New York?

Think I am staying home

! I need to support our potential home field!!

**Riotz** · 10-02-2002, 08:27 PM

I would support the AO Day in NY, I don't know why mango posted the opening day stuff...

**dropkick1** · 10-02-2002, 09:26 PM

do u know how far it is from philly? b/c if it isn't that far i would maybe go there for indoor play once ina while.

ken

**Mango** · 10-02-2002, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by Riotz
I would support the AO Day in NY, I don't know why mango posted the opening day stuff...

Jeff, LI is at LEAST 3 hours from where this field is. Anyone that would come to the LI day from my area will still come, because if they are dedicated enough to drive 3 hours then they are dedicated to AO and to helping AGD.

To say that me posting the opening of a this field will hurt LI is totally the reverse, the LI day will probably hurt this. Come on, Rocky is going to be there!!!!

Why would I snuff out another field just because of LI AO day? If people are dedicated enough they will come to LI, if not, then let them go help out Paintball Invasion.

**Riotz** · 10-03-2002, 01:14 AM

Well for the people who "aren't" dedicated enough and had to choose between this indoor field which is 20 mins from them or the one in long island which is 3 hours from them. Which do you think they'd go to on the 12th?

I'm just trying to say you shouldn't promote two events that conflict with each other.

**1stdeadeye** · 10-03-2002, 02:39 AM

Joke?

Originally posted by Riotz
I'm just trying to say you shouldn't promote two events that conflict with each other.

I was making a joke above. Th LI AO looks like fun, but it is 3 hours away from down here maybe more with traffic. It is just nice to know we have alternatives.

**Riotz** · 10-03-2002, 02:55 AM

1stdeadeye, I was referring to JT's post

**WhoDaresPlay** · 10-03-2002, 07:30 AM

Someday I hope NJ can develop the same mentality that fields in southern California have...

Very reasonable entrance ($5-10)
Very reasonable air ($5 all day)
BYOP 7 days a week

Makes me regret playing in NJ for all those years.

**Thordic** · 10-03-2002, 08:29 AM

Originally posted by WhoDaresPlay
Someday I hope NJ can develop the same mentality that fields in southern California have...

Very reasonable entrance ($5-10)
Very reasonable air ($5 all day)
BYOP 7 days a week

Makes me regret playing in NJ for all those years.

I think the cost of land may also be an issue. Land costs, property tax, etc, is most likely higher in NJ, where land is more in demand.

**1stdeadeye** · 10-03-2002, 09:23 AM

Amen to that!

Originally posted by Thordic

I think the cost of land may also be an issue. Land costs, property tax, etc, is most likely higher in NJ, where land is more in demand.

Amen to that! My property taxes are outrageous. NJ has the worst property taxes in the nation. They are aweful!

**WhoDaresPlay** · 10-03-2002, 09:35 AM

I hear ya on the property tax, it's why I bailed out. DC is high just because... well it's DC.

However I do give some fields in NJ a lot of credit, they have learned to meet the "demands" of those players that find $80 too much for a case.

We have two players from California on our team and they always get grouchy when it comes time to buy paint. For years they've never paid more than $40-$45 for a case. It's hard for them to stomach paying almost 3x that for that same case.

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