30+ bps loader?

[FreshmanBob]

Oddessy actually already has a design worked out that makes the halo look like pre rev loaders. They won't release it until someone puts out something faster than the halo, that way they can be like
"Hey, look at our newly developed halo c that can feed even faster" about a month later.

If anything I'd want longer battery life and lighter weight more than feed rates above the halo.

[rudy]

i dont know where freshman bob gets his info but first he should back it up not just say hey they are doign this or that alot of people were suppose to realease cirtain items at WC but there is no sign of them. But on his side i would say that the halo probably has a theoretical feed rate of 60+bps i figured it has about 7 open spaces for a ball to fall in and so i just used 6 to play safe and with gravity a ball can feed at 12 bps so i just used 10. 10x6 = 60 so long as you moter can push them around that fast, and you can somehow do it without breaking balls. it may be able to reach that speed or lets say 50 just to shoot a little low

[FreshmanBob]

Originally posted by rudy
i dont know where freshman bob gets his info but first he should back it up not just say hey they are doign this or that alot of people were suppose to realease cirtain items at WC but there is no sign of them. But on his side i would say that the halo probably has a theoretical feed rate of 60+bps i figured it has about 7 open spaces for a ball to fall in and so i just used 6 to play safe and with gravity a ball can feed at 12 bps so i just used 10. 10x6 = 60 so long as you moter can push them around that fast, and you can somehow do it without breaking balls. it may be able to reach that speed or lets say 50 just to shoot a little low

Where do I get my sources?
I'm good friends with one of the few (maybe only) Racegun techs (cocker e frames, reeal nice). Racegun is based in europe and halo gave them a prototype loader that I refered to at IAO.

Now, the cool thing about the racegun frame is you can ajust the open time for the bolt. 10 miliseconds (ms) is the minimum to load a ball from the halo, reliably. It that time frame the new loader force 3 or 4 balls into the gun, 3 right past the ball detent. Now, I'm not sure for how long the loader can keep this up but i'll let you do the math.

I NEVER post stuff without backing it up. Also, as I said, they don't plan to release it until someone gets a loader faster than the Halo B.

[rudy]

can it do this without breaking any hellfire or other whin shelled paint?

[FreshmanBob]

Not really sure, I'll try an find out.

anyway, the point was that you should work on a loader thats lighter and has longer battery life than the halo. There isn't any need for faster.

[ogre55]

Originally posted by 845
To prove you came up with it first you could send it to yourself in the mail and use the post mark as proof. I think maybe tunaman made this suggestion to someone awhile ago. You might want to talk to a lawyer about it.

845, you hit the nail on the head, you should invest 300 bucks or so and have a consultation with a patent lawyer. You can contact your local bar association and get a refarral to a patent lawyer in your area.

Do not go to a general practitioner, or some friend who happens to be an attorney, unless it is for a refferal to a patent attorney. Patent lawyers are a specialty. To become patent lawyer you need to take a seperate bar.

I'm not a patent lawyer, so don't qoute me, but I believe that the way to prove a patent, if you were not the first to register the patent with the national patent office, is not having the idea first, but rather "prior use". The best way you can do this, of course, is simply to get some blueprints together, talk to an attorney, and register your patent.

Hope this helps.
Ogre

[CpSuPeRkId]

its plain retarded to make a loader that can feed past HALO B speed. the ir3 and c+c extreme are capped at like around 24. who can shoot past 15?? so it would just be financial suicide to go for a move like that considering the HALO B(or warp feed) are already out there. they keep up with high end electros and both companies have EXCELLENT customer service.

[halB]

dammit super, i said the biggest market for this would be companies showing off the capabilities of their guns

and ogre, the bar is the bar, doesnt matter if the persons specializing in torts or defense or patent law

[trevy38]

whoops

Lol I accidentally hit new thread instead of reply. My bad. Anyway, I don't know how fast it is, but I have good reason to believe it to be 30 bps or more. Yes, I know that it is unnecessary to have a loader that fast (part of the reason taht I asked if there was any demand). It would be the lightest and most battery-efficient loader on the market... if the design works. I'll work on the proto this week.

[ogre55]

Originally posted by halB
and ogre, the bar is the bar, doesnt matter if the persons specializing in torts or defense or patent law [/B]

I would normally leave this alone, but since someone may actually act on this advice...I have taken the NY and NJ Bar. Every state has it's own bar exam.

There is also a seperate bar exam to practice before military courts. The military has their own codes, called the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ for short) and in many ways they are their own jurisdiction.

Finally, while you do not need to take a seperate bar exam for every other area of the law, patent lawyers have their own bar exam and their own bar association.

While I am not a member of the patent bar, I know that it exists.

Oh, and while I'm at it, trevy38, the following link will take you to various state, local and specialty bar associations, so that you can find a patent attorney in your area.

http://www.lexisone.com/legalresearch/legalguide/bar_resource_center/bar_resource_center_index.htm

Ogre

[xen_100]

actually the halo is capable of feeding alot faster than 20BPS. the pre-prod version of it was feeding at about 35BPS. it was not very reliable at that speed, but it did work. so they could perfect the halo to insane feed rates.

but really? who cares? you cant fire a gun much faster than 15 BPS in semi, I dont care what kind of trigger you have. not many (if any) fields allow you to PLAY in anything other than semi.

[Creative Mayhem]

Is there REALLY a need for a loader THAT fast?

I say NAY!


C Mayhem
AKA Purple Wang

[James]

hmm

well alot of people seem to be making alot of good points.. but i agree completly on the idea of you dont need to shoot that fast...but i also agree on the concept it would be good for showing or even for companies to probe how fast their guns are. The best part of this isnt really the issue of speed as opposed to can you make it durable yet lighter and smaller with a longer battery life and yet still more affordable. Then if you can thats great,
James

[trevy38]

...

Well that is kinda the point of this thread. Knowing that the weight and battery use will be drastically reduced... but there is no need for something to shoot that fast other than company demonstrations... is this something to pursue or not?

[Kneedragger]

Originally posted by FreshmanBob


Where do I get my sources?
I'm good friends with one of the few (maybe only) Racegun techs (cocker e frames, reeal nice). Racegun is based in europe and halo gave them a prototype loader that I refered to at IAO.

Now, the cool thing about the racegun frame is you can ajust the open time for the bolt. 10 miliseconds (ms) is the minimum to load a ball from the halo, reliably. It that time frame the new loader force 3 or 4 balls into the gun, 3 right past the ball detent. Now, I'm not sure for how long the loader can keep this up but i'll let you do the math.

I NEVER post stuff without backing it up. Also, as I said, they don't plan to release it until someone gets a loader faster than the Halo B.

Well I hate to tell you this but what you are backing it up with is complete BS. We never gave Racegun a prototype loader. What we did give them is software that will allow the loader to feed around 30 BPS.